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You fail to acknowledge that 98% of abortions are simply for convenience. No about of rantings can deny that fact. For those who are upset that we Christians shove our morals down your throat I could just as easy argue that much of the secular societies morals or lack of is shoved down our throat. To even suggest that those practicing homosexuality do not have far greater health problems than hetrosexuals is totally unreasonable. I suggest you visit any infectious disease wards in any major hospital and talk to any medical person and you might change your mind on what is healthy and what is not.
The person I am having lunch with is lost as any other human being is without Christ. I have been in that position myself. I also have friends who commit adultery, lie, cheat etc. All fall short of God's standard and it is for this very reason all need the mercy, forgiveness and grace of our Precious Saviour.

Robert does not need to concern himself about bible believing Christians. Yes I along with millions of others believe the entire bible is God's Word. Just so happens that most hospitals, schools and universities were started by these dangerous bible believing Christians. It just so happens that those dangerous bible believing Christians do huge amounts of free community work here and abroad. You can rest easy Robert, the worst thing we will be doing is praying for you.

I watched the ABC Foreign Correspondent, homosexual conversion piece. Now if I had only known that my school tennis raquet had more uses than hitting a tennis ball, I may now be heterosexual!

There again, I may get Runner knocking on my door, to take me out to lunch. More likely I'm doing the cooking and he/she is after a free feed, for christianities sake of course!

What is it with these people, who go on about the bible and we should all live by it. I thought control of peoples lives ended with the second world war, and the cold war.

I do believe that there is something lacking in their lives, that turns them to the unknown. Instead of getting rid of the baggage, they have allowed to attach to themselves.

We are born innocent and parents are the guardians of that innocences. The child is of the parents being, not of their ownership.

runner

quote "To even suggest that those practicing homosexuality do not have far greater health problems than hetrosexuals is totally unreasonable."

It's also a fact that bible-believing christians have a far greater rate of mental health problems than any other segment of society.

Could the two be related do you think? Obviously they are just like homosexuals & physical health. Buyt there is one major difference. A human being has the right to endanger their own health if they wish - that's why smoking isn't illegal even though it causes cancer. But they don't have the right to endanger others. The bigotry & extreme prejudice of "bible-beliving christians" does exactly that. It endangers the harmony, & psychological health of society far more than other cause that's been named on this thread.

Conclusion: If it's justified in your mind to discriminate against homosexuals because they are a physical health risk [though they only endanger themselves even if they are] then it's also justified to discriminate against fundie christians because they are a danger to emotional health & well being.

Sauce for the goose...runner.

Thanks mister Man, Carl, wish it weren't so though.

Runner, 98% of all things humans do is for convenience, including religion, which is convenient for passing responsibility in life to nothing. There's a vast difference between “health problems” and “infectious disease.”, though I doubt you understand that reality.

This thread's about religion taking over our political system. Not about how far your mental state may've deteriorated. Praying for someone is psychological assault, the results of praying seen around the world, statistically 99.9999%, didn't work. A politically correct court, would charge you with inciting calamity, bad luck and death for someone.

I'd do some real research before saying,
“Just so happens that most hospitals, schools and universities were started by these dangerous bible believing Christians.”

To which god are you referring, the OT war god Yahweh, NT novel by unknown scribes, or the closer to Yahweh's expression, Koran, by the beserk Muhammad.

Clear thinking and seeing, determines where religion fits into the political scene. Just like seeing where unions, lawyers, accountants academics, bureaucrats, the economic elite, mostly all religious, fits into the political direction we're being pushed towards.

What's sad is monotheists of all persuasions, are so enslaved, they prefer to cheer as society disintegrates under the influence of their controlling juntas. Rather than step back and take some responsibility for stopping this heinous direction religion's taking us.

How many want a return to the 18-19th century, where free thought and action's banned. What depth will the followers of god go to in stopping people having freedoms, against their insane moralities.

Considering monotheists go to war to suppress opposition, so what chance do people here have of keeping their freedom to be themselves responsibly. From monotheisms current and past history, their only weapon to remove individualism and freedom of choice, is death.

I personally do not think it fair to judge all Christians as being Right Wing Bible Bashers. The bible is open to interpretation and any and all honest christians of different denominations will tell you that.

Runner, I am amazed at how often Right Wingers or just plain homophobic folks use the comment that the homosexual lifestyle is unhealthy. What is unhealthy to homosexuals is how Aussie society treats them as second class citizens.

I put a challenge out to all of you who have never been in a homosexual relationship. Go forth and give it a go and then you might have some facts and thoughts on the subject rather than your own imagined thoughts based on the bible or on your own lack of experience and what your mind conjures up.

Oh I hear you say that you are not attracted to the same sex and that you are heterosexual. I'm a tolerant person, I will accept your CHOICE of sexual orientation.

If some of you lot truly believe in God, you will know that God has the only right to judge us when the time comes. Not you, and not the bible or your interpretation of it nor what you consider as normal.

I have watched with great fear this current Govt pandering to the far right. This Govt is far from fair and it appears to me that they too are basing most of their legislations on their own interpretation of the bible and the Judeo-Christian way, whatever that is....or should I say, whatever that interpretation happens to be.

runner, as a check does your "bible believing" include Exodus 2:18-27, Exodus 21:2-25, 1 Corinthians 11:4-16 etc? If so literal or something else?

Yes christians have done some really good works but sharing a label with those who did so does not make your views and attitudes the same. I suspect that many of those who started charities, hospitals etc would be utterly repulsed by much of what passes as "bible believing" christainity.

R0bert