Sganot,
My belief in the nature of dual citizenship of some US Senators is based on information I have read. I can name most of them but I see no point in attempting to satisfy your scepticism. Check for yourself at the Solomon Project and cross-reference each sitting member with their personal details. Meanwhile, here are some of the names of Jewish members of the first Bush Administration to get you started – Wolfowitz, Perle, Fleischer, Bolten, Melman, Lefkowitz, Frum, Blakeman, Zakheim, Libby, Goldman, Gersten, Abrams, Weinberg, Feith, Chertoff, Kurtzer, Sobel, Bernstein, Brinker, Lavin, Weiser, Sembler, Silverstein. Some of these may hold dual citizenship as some did during the Clinton years.
The issue of dual citizenship is only a minor one in the US. The main problem there relates to whether they should vote in foreign elections.

Of course there is no direct link between this and the prospect of Australians fighting for foreign governments. It was to highlight inconsistencies related to spending taxpayers money evacuating dual Australian-Lebanese citizens, abandoning Hicks and the silence about the soldier killed in Lebanon.

Logic,
What incidents are in dispute? The bridges? The roads? The airport? I forgot to mention the fuel depots and electricity substations but those images must also have been faked.

I’ve seen video of rescue workers retrieving bodies from many independent sources. Somehow the prospect of mysterious agents rushing between recently bombed sites and quickly burying bodies in the ruins only to be retrieved and continuously recycled for the media is a bit of a stretch –even for a well worn sceptic like me. I think the coparative death tolls speak for themselves.
I remember the Israeli sniper incident in Palestine vividly. In fact it was this that caused me to research and critically reassess my previous beliefs about what was really happening over there. This dispute didn’t just start a few weeks ago – it’s been going on for about 24 years.

Marilyn,
I think a simple land grab is a little short-sighted. I think Seymour Hersh has summarised the bigger picture very well on this link -

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/14/1358255#transcript

Yuyutsu,

Thanks for the wake-up call!

All this time I thought I was caring about truth, injustice and the oppressed and thinking about whether a matter was simply right or wrong - when in fact I was just an unwilling pawn in a scheme to subvert and overthrow the Judeo-Christian Social Order.

I suddenly feel smarter, more important and superior – is that what’s supposed to happen?

There is a strange phenomenon in the minds of Yu and others about arab people. There are 200,000 arabs from Lebanon or of Lebanese extraction alone here in Australia and I have never heard of a plague of them pushing their children in front of buses or leaving them in their homes as they burn to the ground or abandoning them at police stations or schools.

Ditto for Palestinians, Iraqis, Iranians and thousands of others. Have I missed some crime wave that Yu is aware of?

There is something disgusting about the Qana story being used by some to claim that Lebanese people are untermenschen. The video they used was two days old and showed nothing at all. When the independent investigators arrived all they found was a simple house with 28 bodies buried in the basement where they had been hiding for 2 weeks. Too sick and poor to move, with disabled and old they were forced to stay but if they had run Israel would have blown them to bits as they promised.

Say what you want Yu, the Israelis behaved like brainless savages and should be and must be condemned for their actions.

Just as we here must be condemned for out treatment of a Jewish family recently when we tried to deny them refugee status after they had fled Russia simply because we tried to say they should have gone to Israel.

And we should be condemned for bombing Iraq and Afghanistan without putting in rebuilding resources or giving safe refuge to the refugees we helped to create.

When the spin doctors try to paint people as being so vile they would torture their own children for political gain they should remember Bush, Blair and Howard claiming the Afghans did it so we bombed their weddings, claimed the Iraqis did it so we bombed their weddings.

Give me a break - arabs love their children too.

Sganot

So there's a definate chance then?

Keith

Yutusu

Do yourself a favour and actually read the Geneva Convention. If you did, you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself with such patently silly statements.

Yep they saved their most expensive bombs for attacks on civilians. They were impotent against anyone who could or did fight back.

The personal bile you spewed at forthright thinkers and activitists shows your contempt for open society and democracy. Is that common among you Israelis?

I much prefer the Western heritage of the mixture of the Hebrew and the Greek...rather than the purely semetic Christian-Judeo heritage.
That attitude will stump you and probably result in you calling me anti-semetic or something else as obscure...eh?

Wobbles

...correction it's been going on for 58 years.

To really get these blokes going cite UN resolution 149 at them.

I'll believe it wasn't a land grab when Israel retreats to it's pre '67 borders...on all fronts...and honours UN resolution 149.

Keith

Greg Barns seems to be taking a strong interest in the following subjects:

1/ "Balanced" approach to the war, and close scrutiny of the involvement of any Australians fighting for "Israel". (Hold this thought it gets MUCH better)

2/ Speaks regularly against 'racism' and 'intolerance'

3/ Defence Muslim rights (it seems to me)

"And Prime Minister John Howard told the media on July 28 that he “would have a very negative attitude towards" Lebanese-Australian dual nationals who join Hezbollah. Like Mr Ruddock, he too warned of the grave consequences under anti-terror laws of such an action."

THIS IS THE GOOD BIT.

What I wonder, is whether mr BARNS has an ulterior motive in all this ?
Why.. why would he be so defensive of Lebanese Australians ? Why does he not defend 'Ordinary' Australians, and seek to further our cultural interests.....?

Could it POSSIBLY be.... that HE is one of the DEFENSE ATTOURNEYS FOR THE 13 TERRORISM SUSPECTS ON COMITTAL HEARING NOW ? many of whom are ethnic Lebanese ?

Could it be, that Greg is seeking to 'massage' public opinion and potential jurors in the interests of his clients ?

These are just 'questions' of course....How could I say he IS doing that......?

How do I know he was at the committal hearing ? I SAW HIM THERE today with the defense team ! and confirmed his identity with security personell.

Is it right that a defense attourney not disclose his personal interest in such a case when writing for OLO ?

Specially when (unless some other arrangment has been made) he may be milking the PUBLIC purse of LEGAL AID which is 'you and me'.......

Yes.. "murkey".. very murkey indeed.