Having watched the discussion turn into somewhat of a grudge match i felt compelled to add the following comments to my previous post....

I'm a professional male and I work with alot of professional females. In fact more females are graduating from bachelor degrees and into professional jobs than males currently (this is not a 'made up' fact). While within the professional world some male dominated bastions still exist, this is becoming increasingly rare. Put simply the mighty dollar is dictating that the best people get the best positions- no mnc with a bottom line cares about the sex of a person anymore. I cant help but feel some of the posts from females are from uni students with no real world experience or baby boomers who cant really pass judgement on women of generation y.

Before typing this post I asked a number of females what they thought. To them pay wasnt an issue- if they got less than males they would simply go to a job where they got the same (the market place allows them to do this). Some said they worked harder than some guys to prove their ability, but this was fine because it benefitted them in the long run anyway.

My point is that the smart women are out in the work force actually making corporations and businesses stand up and take notice. These women are doing more for future geberations than the Greer's ever did- they are proving their ability and skill rather than whinging and burning bras! 100 years ago women were forced to stay at home in corsets by males. Now the Greer's of this world are telling women to stop wearing skirts and makeup and to never be mothers/ wives. What is the difference?

Un-noticed work that men do for women? Personal therapist, emotional counseller and punching bag, psychological analyst, issue and insecurity molifier. Men who try to make things better by being involved and engaged would happily go from captain free therapist to $250hr shrink.

Just finished interior painting for a female relative... without monetary pay. Maybe l should send out an invoice for $3k, just to keep your scorecard mentality squared up. But... money wasnt the reason l did it. Love and personal responsibility were. Feels good doing things for loved ones. A smile, hug, kiss ... warm fuzzy feelings that dont come from balancing ledgers. Sigh, some people are all about the money, keeping scorecards...

Evidence of pretending... cherry-pick a few words speaking only to that, dismiss entire discussion by distortion and misrepresentation. Find something that can be twisted for sake of personal attack. Crediting others with your own opinions, like defensiveness, then claiming respondents have to defend your projected assumptions (woman-hater). Come on, we've been thru this stuff already. It’s a charade. Where can l send batteries for your now over-worked irunee metre.

Favourite tactics... distract, flip the script, ad-hominem, chase-thy-tail, tire everyone out to evade full, frank, reasonable, concilliation, with a view to PROGRESS. Claim to want improvement whilst thwarting it at every turn when not complying fully to your un-yeilding agenda. Make little effort to construct your own concepts and ideas, instead cherry-pick the fodder of your trickery. You are sowing the seeds of your own disrespect, based on overtly willfull lack of credibility.

Its just easier to walk away from these people and march to the beat of own drum. Seems that many men and women have been doing this lately. Maybe it has something to do with the accusations of 'commitment phobia' and the constant complaint 'that all the good ones are either taken or they're gay.'

Do you realise how far ahead of the curve many men are in terms of actually living equality? While listening to the self-proclaimed champions of equality deny reciprocation. You cannot even manage mere verbal admission nor compromise. Its tiring.

"Your problem is not your isolation," I was told. "Your problem is your husband, he oppresses you." Erin Pizzey.

Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." (radical feminist leader Sheila Cronan).

Intriguingly some decades after these statements were made women are now complaining that they cannot find a partner! Or that they remain dateless and childless.


Blyth persuasively argues that today’s media bombards American women—the most prosperous, healthiest, well-educated and privileged group of people ever—with constant messages of unhappiness and victimization. And that these effectively crafted messages also push and promote a liberal political agenda that the Spin Sisters themselves share. ‘Spin sisters’

Welcome to boogeyman feminism even Pru Goward resorts to this tactic. Reading mags like Marie Claire and one gets exposed to 'how hard life is' and how women must be on their guard less they loose the hard fought freedoms and women still have a long way to go.

Whoa!

See what happens when you go away for a few days - as soon as your back is turned, they have a mini-war on OLO. It's not fair. I missed all the fun. Oh well, better luck next time.

Anyway as some previous poster noted - feminism certainly ISN'T passé. And that's the truth. So therefore, the remainder of the article's title "because it worked" is clearly rubbish too.

Bad luck for me. I missed out this time. But it is fascinating to note that there's plenty of people to take up the cause for you when you're not there. Excellent. Feminism is definitely on the skids, as demonstrated by the dialogue on this page, because simply, it just didn't work.

Yo! LOL.

I think you might have a slightly inflated idea of the world wide impact of the debates on OLO, if you think this indicates anything other than a few diehards with rather old fashioned views about the way women and men should relate to each other.
Glad someone finally gave me a list of the un-noticed work men do, mind you, i might notice if you re-painted a wall, and be suitably grateful too.
The emotional punching bag thing is also reciprocal, of course, at least in a healthy relationship. In my 30 year marriage ( some of you blokes will be astonished to learn that a guy could live with a wicked, nasty, emasculating feminist like me for so long - he claims to rather like me, even after all this time, bless his heart) I have supported my husband emotionally through hard times and he has done the same for me, we have also painted a number of houses together - him doing the big walls and me doing the fiddly bits, skirting boards, edges etc. We are pretty equal, that is why our marriage has survived, I think. He even changes the toilet roll, but he still doesn't know the name of the kid's dentist - we're working on it.

the pity of this discussion is that its turned into a primary school discussion on whether boys are better than girls.