Benjamin

Clearly while you were, skimming this thread you missed my post of 18th August, therefore I include a link to it below.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4781#52109

Here is an excerpt from the above link:

”In Colombia women who speak out for their rights face intimidation, violence and even death from armed groups on both sides of the country’s long-running internal conflict. Government security forces and their paramilitary allies have labelled women community leaders, activists and human rights defenders as guerrilla collaborators and legitimate targets in the counter-insurgency war.……... Rape, mutilation and abuse of women and girls have been used as weapons of war to generate fear and to silence campaigns for social, economic and political rights.
http://web.amnesty.org/actforwomen/stories-1-eng

Uganda:
“Women’s bodies have actually become battle grounds, not only to … the rebels who are fighting government, but … even the government soldiers are violating women, and targeting their sexuality… the violation is all about destroying … the inbuilt strength of a woman to build a community, so both warring factions are targeting the woman’s body to make sure that they destroy that community through this woman.”
http://web.amnesty.org/actforwomen/Ruth_Ochineg-eng


A women's rights activist struggles to publicize the persecution of women in post-Taliban Afghanistan, where fundamentalist pressures are returning and the burqa is back.
http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1328

……..

WOMEN’S RIGHTS ARE STILL FEW AND THOSE FEW ARE LIMITED TO WESTERN WOMEN.”

I should not need to point out that conditions for women in 3rd world countries are not just issues for feminists – they are about Human Rights. This means men as well as women need to work together for equality. Since I made this post not one MALE has commented, apart from you. Instead the female posters, including myself, have been subjected to mockery and abuse.

I politely suggest, that in future, Benjamin, you do not merely skim, but take the time to read all posts. Blaming women is a nasty game that needs to stop – you claim to be concerned about women’s rights well, then start with yourself and your attitudes to all women be they western or from 3rd world countries.

Scout, you were not subjcted to mockery or abuse that I can recall, but, you were subjected to objective argument. Argument that presented cases and referrences in dispute of the pro-feminist arguments presented here.

The only abuse I can recall came from Anna.

If you have perceived the postings here as mockery and abuse, then there's little point in entering comments. If you believe that those who don't agree with your stance are personally persecuting you, then you're incorrect - it's your opinions which are subject to argument, not yourself. How can there be any debate, with such an attitude?

Feminists have been getting away with unsubstantiated ranting for so long now, without argument, that they now perceive disputation of their information as a personal attack. I'm sure you're a beautiful and wonderful person, I wish you no ill, but I'm not going to sit quietly by, while I hear the same old feminist rubbish and spin regurgitated as facts that must be believed, because it's feminist gospel.

Being pro-feminist doesn't give anyone the right to assume their beliefs are beyond dispute.

For example, the "facts" that you present above - twice - are from extremely dubious sources - Amnesty is a well recognised feminist propaganda mouthpiece and so is women's-e-news. They don't tell anyone the whole truth, they push pro-feminist spin.

Now, to the point - women in third world countries might have it bad, but the men there get it far worse - men don't get raped, they get maimed and murdered and in far greater numbers than women. And that happens even in Australia too! Check the latest ABS Personal Safety Survey.

When feminists begin to adopt human attitudes toward men and boys in society then they might begin to earn men's respect. But in the meantime, many of us, both men and women, have had a gutfull of their belly-aching, lies and deceit.

I was watching the news one night and in between the coverage which was either about rape or domestic violence, the female news reader announced that 10 men had been killed in Iraq.

She reported in a very matter of fact manner, almost like discussing live stock being killed. Somehow the lives of 10 men mattered very little when compared to rape or domestic violence.

Author of 'Heterophobia' Daphne Patai writes that men have become the universal scapegoat and feminists show no tolerance towards those who dare question or heaven forbid challange their authority.

Hi James, how are you going?

Talking about that sort of feminist sex-biased reporting, I was taken-aback whilst watching SBS news one evening. The news reader -

Lee Lin Chin
http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/anchors.php#leelin

- reported the following, regarding a disturbance in the Middle East...

"Blah, blah, blah, a disturbance, blah, blah, blah, one woman was killed and another person."

Another person!

Think about it. What other kinds of persons are there besides women?

Yes, women are women, girls are girls, but boys and men are "persons" or at best, non-persons - "males". Anything to dehumanise the situation where men are involved as victims. They don't like talking about men unless of course it's derrogatory, such as, "A MAN was arrested and charged today, blah, blah, blah..." And they emphasise it.

Also, when it's a woman in the wrong, they'll give her cover in the story by using a generic title like, "A teacher was arrested and charged today, etc..."

And that sort of sex-biased reporting is in the news every day.

Hi Maximus, how are you?

Having studied feminism and the claims often made by feminists and women in general. Many of the claims such as equal rights etc, are little more than a trojan horse to cover up "bullying behaviour."

http://www.angryharry.com/estrojanhorsesoffeminism.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Roberts/carey104.htm

Rereading Daphne Patai's book "heterophobia" she asks the question why would heterosexual women support many of the claims made by lesbian feminists and the attack on heterosexuality. The only possible explaination as to why heterosexual women did not object is that they wanted to join the lesbians in bullying men.

Pure and simple it is about bullying and that is why any discussion about feminism not along party lines is to be condemmed and derided. Labeling such men as women haters etc.

Hi Ladies,

I just ran this forum through a nifty little thing called the "regenderator". Or at least that's what I called it. It gives a little insight into what it would be like with gender roles (and all attitudes within) reversed. Give it a go for a bit of distraction from the woman-baiting this forum has spiralled into:

http://regender.com/swap/http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4781

Some highlights:

"I work at resort who's main customers are men. Many of whom were also educated in this time. Masculism has bit them on the bum. Angry and bitter and craving the company of women who will not go anywhere near them. Some were associates of Germs, what a fruit bat he was!"

"The claims of masculist “progress” are nothing more than deluded. Masculism was never about anyone other than men themselves, and as such, has failed to recognise that everyone outside it, has made even better progress."

"Men now seldom have the option of working or staying home with
the children, they are now *forced* into the workforce whether they
like it or not."

"I'll believe masculism is irrelevant when I can walk down the street without being hassled by women, when my appearance isn't considered more important than my character or what I do…and when the beauty ideal for men excludes anorexia and cocaine abuse to keep weight down and when the male equivalent in attractiveness and age of Bertha Nellie is allowed on national television."

"Why do so many of these fundi masculists go out of their way to look butch and ugly?Are they trying to deny basic human urges to be liked and accepted by their sexual peers?"

"In Pakistan this week there is a debate going on about repealing the disgustingly barbaric Islamic law that a man raped must produce four female witnesses and if he can't he is imprisoned, possibly even stoned to death."

"When masculists begin to adopt human attitudes toward women and girls in society then they might begin to earn women's respect. But in the meantime, many of us…have had a gutfull of their belly-aching, lies and deceit."