In his book, “Hitler: the pathology of evil”, psychologist George Victor – who emphasized that he was writing as a “a Jew” – wrote about people who “embraced the position of victim, felt outraged, and took vengeance – a pattern that wrecked their lives and their lives and the lives of their families”. This, he wrote, “helped me understand the Third Reich”.

In a passage that might well apply to the psychology of many present-day Jews and to Israel, he wrote:

“Germany was seriously harmed after World War I – a victimization to which its leaders and people submitted, although Germans remained highly conscious of the victimization and outraged over it. Even more important, however, was Germany’s long history of victimization. While Americans have thought of Germany as a warlike, predatory nation, its history was the opposite. … Germans were the victims of many invasions, some of which decimated the population. That history made Germany a fertile soil for Hitler’s message of victimization, outrage, and vengeance.”

British Foreign Office Minister Kim Howells has said: "If you're chasing Hezbollah, well, chase Hezbollah. You don't go for the entire Lebanese nation, and that's the difference," he said.

Are Israel’s actions Lebanon largely “vengeance” for past injustices, driven by a feeling of “victimization”, rather than a balanced reaction to the actions of Hezbollah?

Jeff Schubert’s book, “Dictatorial CEOs & their lieutenants: the cases of Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Ataturk, Mussolini and Mao”, will be released soon.
More at: http://www.jeffschubert.com/

Still no word from our Onliners about America's right to use an out of date veto granted to her and the Soviets as the right of the two major powers during the Cold War.

As it has not been mentioned, we might wonder whether most of our group don't know much about it. The truth is that right now it is the most deadly undemocratic tool we have in foreign relations, especially as it gives the US almost the same rights as Rome had over her empire. Also probably our Brit forefathers had the same during their empire.

Possibly John Howard would not know, especially as they say he has political knack but not a strong sense of history?

Bushbred,

I wouldn't place a too heavy emphasis on the veto powers in the UN. Obviously the security councils structure is outdated, considering there are no permanent members representing some of the most populous parts of the world (Africa, South America, South Asia). But effectivley anyone can veto a UN resolution, no one has to listen to the UN. The very title 'United Nations' is just a pipe dream, but I believe its a pipe dream well worth having, otherwise we may as well give up and start nuking each other.

2bob,

Your use of the phrase 'refo scum' shows what sort of bigot you are. The large majority of people on this forum express whatever views they have within certain boundaries of decency. If you want to spit hate filled racist rhetoric find somewhere else to do it.

Well 2 bob I would be happy to have such civic minded citizens living near me and probably do. How shockingly awful to provide social services for poor people.

Aka, you mention a pipeline taking oil from Caspian to the Mediterranean, then second pipe to carry water from Turkey to Israel. Turkey damned the rivers that flow from the snow-peaks of Turkeys mountain ranges, down to the sea in Iraq. Who is depriving whom of water, the necessity of life.

Short while ago, great fuss is made over dam in S.W. Qld, depriving the Darling River System of much needed water. Would not the same principle apply here? Grab while the grabbing is good, by force if need be.

Who is asking Australian troops to be peace keepers, in this latest fray?

After all of this for close to sixty years we all understand it now ....... all Palestinians need to be grovelling, servile non entities for another fifty years. In recapping my thoughts again it is simply this and we get this message loud and clear.

We see the state of Israel, the inventor of modern terrorism, blatantly using every conceivably devious means to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people. You name it, they have done it, and all sanctioned, although fundamentally illegal by any standards, by the Israeli state, and continuously growing more brutal more vile by the day......... theft of land, theft of water, theft and vandalism of crops and ancient groves, demolishing and vandalising of ancestral houses, dwellings, religious centres, schools and looting, and in one month more than 3800 being rendered homeless, of whom many are refugees since 1948, raiding of bank accounts, divisions and hermetically sealing off villages, of workers from workplaces, sniper incursions, premeditated murder of innocent children, aerial intimidation and attacks, a prolonged assassination policy, a massive number of abductions of especially children, incommunicado detentions, assaults and torturing, a dehumanizing, scheming media, untold violations of international laws and with impunity, ....... and the list goes on, and on. e.g. On June 9th, Israeli gunboats opened fire on beach-goers in Gaza as the latest pretext for ongoing, unspeakable violence.

What is a degrading thought is how our hopelessly biased media seeks to make us complicit in this scheming. trauma-engineered diet of shocks and barefaced denials from a vile Zionist outfit that sees the Zionist state now as being the object of worship with the return of the worship of the golden calf.