Part Two
In the US itself, we also have strong support for Israel from zionist lobby groups, as well as from the ultra-right wing fundamental US Christian church, with a strong spiritual message about a second coming of Christ, who will also bear the tidings that the Jews have been forgiven for their killing of Christ on the Cross.

On the other hand with Israel, we do have the threat to a small nation which has been given the right by a former stronger UN to settle in Israel, the old Biblical Jewish Promised Land.

But it must be remembered that though Israel does have the right to arm and protect itself from Palestinians who have long refused to recognise the existence of a new Israel, the allowance of atomic long-range artillery was certainly not part of it. Further, this allowance of nuclear Israeli defence is certainly the main reason that Iran would go nuclear.

With a new UN, a very strong permanent force, comprised of European Nato, as well as Russian, Chinese and Indian forces, not necessarily, American, British and Australian, could be the answer.

But the real answer for an America who has proven with Iraq that she will make major military moves without question, is to rebuild the UN without the US and her allies, Britain and Australia. It will not start a major war, because it will probably make America go isolationist once again, hoping she will come to her senses and play fair, because that is what the Middle East needs so much after so much intrusion and injustice from major Western power groups, especially regarding oil. It also could be surprising how little Israel could so easily fit in

@ Bennie and Ant

Bennie, interpretation of those verses boils down to pretty much one thing or the other.

It refers to the Messiah or the Nation but in either case the goal was universal Salvation. Christians are adamant that this applies to Christ, Jews generally see it as the Nation. I was just raising it for Logic's sake.

My Moral compass ? Well, on a personal level I identify with your quote about 'vengence is mine, says the Lord' but this also needs to be contextualized etc..

My compass is firmly on Christ, but if you look closely at most of what I put forward, it is either blatantly 'Bible/Christianity based' or.. based purely on observations of history. I see what works and what doesn't.

The solution I offered for the Arab Israel conflict (in other posts/threads) is a sound one based on history. As a Christian I really don't have any other solution than all embracing Christ as Savior and Lord....but somehow I don't think that one will have legs with many here :) or the Jews or Muslims in the ME.

The concept of defeat, deport, disperse and absorb is sound in human terms and would minimize the on going suffering. So, I see it as compassionate. I am ABSOLUTELY for responsible ethnic cleansing when on going perenial conflict exists.

I would have allowed all the Albanians to be removed from Kosovo, (but not in a violent murderous way) and would have them re-settled in Albania. (along with those Muslims from Montenegro)

I'd move and resettle the Muslims of Bosnia also. When the noble righteous nations criticized me, I'd remind them in no uncertain terms about how THEY stuffed the world up with arbitrary borders based on self interest and Empire. !

I'm for selective immigration too... responsible, positive discrimination I call it.

Needless to say, I won't be applying for the chair of the Human Rights committee at the UN, but I would like to be Immigration Minister for Australia. I'd like some input on education also.... to bring some history into the syllabus.

If I could be selective about immigration I have to say that David Boaz would never be allowed entry and he would never be allowed to teach revisionist history in any of my schools in my country.

Overnight an organised group of media and rescue crews drove south of Tyre to rescue some sick and hurt civilians and many Australian citizens. Halfway to their destination the Israeli's said they could not continue, so I guess the people they were trying to save will be allowed to die or will be murdered by the Israeli's. Howard says this is OK as the Hezbollah are terrorists.

How are the babies terrorists? The old people, the women? The sick and maimed? These are terrorists?

Or were the gangsters bombing them the terrorists? The terrorists who flattened entire villages - we talk of Haditha looking like My Lai - tonight on my screen I saw My Lai in the Mediterannean.

Village after village, civilian after civilian - smashed. They are not terrorists, they are just people.

Howard lauds one deluded Jewish boy killed while invading a foreign country as an Australian hero even though he was fighting illegally in Lebanon - yet he says our Lebanese citizens must not be rescued because Israel will not allow it.

Someone find a way to justify such evil.

2bob - you wrote:

"This is funny:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=108435

Some idiot organised an anti-war protest in Haifa, they were stoned by irate Haifa resident's, who came out of their bomb shelters in order to do so.

Hilarious.

Inshallah

2bob"

Do you really think that is hilarious? Whatever side someone happens to be on, no sane person would find any part of this horror hilarious.

There is something seriously wrong with you.

tao, I think you're being too hard on 2 bob watch. I think he should be thanked for that link to the article about that courageous anti-war protest in Haifa. I hope everyone reads it because, if one goes by the Zionist propagandists that infest OLO essays on the ME, one might get the mistaken impression that the views of Olmert & Co are the views of all Israelis. I know that not to be the case and applaud those Israelis who can see clearly through the fog of propaganda in which they live and call for a ceasefire and negotiations. Please, 2 bob, more such links. They give us hope.

And I meant it. What halfwit thought they should stage an anti-war rally in a city that is under constant bombardment? How did they imagine the Haifa resident's, who have been forced to live in bomb shelters for weeks, would react to the suggestion that Israel was to blame, and that Hizbollah should be allowed to live peacefully whilst they shell their city?

I find it incredibly funny that these ars*holes think that the Israeli police force was going to save them from the impact of their own stupidity, meted out by the ordinary Israeli citizen.

I don't find it funny that Haifa (or anywhere else in Israel) is being bombarded, but I do find it funny that 26 members of Hizbollah (armed) decided to try and sneak back into the town where they ambushed Israeli forces yesterday, and were shot to rags. I find it incredibly amusing that none were taken prisoner,.

I find it amusing that Hizbollah shot five of its most expensive weapons for the first time, at the cost of its launcher and of its operator's, in order to punch a series of holes in vacant land.

I find the stupidity of the media astounding when they credit Israel with shelling a convoy with the mortars which would be well outside the range of where the convoy was struck.

Finally I find it hysterical that Hizbollah sought a fight at this time, which makes no sense.

read this regarding proportionality:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3281724,00.html

Inshallah

2bob