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The 'Israeli take' : Comments

By Colin Andersen, published 28/7/2006

To get a more nuanced understanding of events in the Middle East, one has to turn to the Internet.

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If one were to design the Middle East from scratch as at 2006, the last place a sane person would plant a Jewish state would be where it is now. But it's there, settled by 6 million mostly sane and ordinary people, ratified in their habitation by the United Nations, with a succession of democratically elected governments prepared to peacefully and reasonably settle differences with its Arab neighbours. Arafat's PLO continually deferred settlement in the vain and silly hope of a political miracle that would give dispossessed Palestinians back the keys to their parents' houses. The response from Hamas and Hezbollah has been suicide bombers and rocket attacks with the ultimate purpose of the annihilation of the Jews. All of them. Not just a village-full. Under their sick theocratic ideology, death is glory and all their dead are martyrs. But the dead can't fire off rockets, so their fighters mingle with the innocents in order to guarantee maximum martyrdom, death and maiming of innocents and outraged sympathy from people who have little conception of what it is to live under constant and immediate threat of murder.

No nation would fail to act with force if attacked from within its neighbour's borders. How many Australians would be prepared to say of a rocket attack on Darwin from a Jemah Islamia encampment in Timor, "Aw, let the buggers knock us over until they get tired of it, we wouldn't want to risk offending anyone"?

So in the short term, much 'collateral' harm is done by Israeli bombardment of Hezbollah positions in Lebanon. But eventually the Arab nations and maybe even the United Nations might see clearly enough that the cost, and the risks in letting the Israel-haters continue to operate are greater than the risks of disowning and disarming them, and do something. To help save Lebanon from the religio-political cancer eating it from the inside, and the need for Israeli surgery, from the outside. That is, if too many Colin Andersens don't get in the way.
Posted by Skeptor, Sunday, 30 July 2006 11:24:11 PM
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So, the Israelies with the full support of the Americans - and the Australian Government follows along dutifully - dont want any ceasefire until all "enemies" are gone and no more threat exists.
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Really! What kind of diplomacy is that?
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Would the Grownups be happy if the kids at Uni used these techniques in a debating class? - simply Kill everyone on the opposing side, and then you win!
I dont think so.
Posted by aussiefella, Sunday, 30 July 2006 11:36:26 PM
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KEIRAN SAID:

"We see the state of Israel, the inventor of modern terrorism, blatantly using every conceivably devious means to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people."

and...where might they have learnt this ?

Ahah...*thinks*....read some history K... Banu Qurayza, a tribe of Jews fighting for their lives, surrendered to Mohammed (so called Prophet) and he rewarded their surrender with carving the heads of 600-900 males and enslaving LITERALLY all the women and children.

Amrosi, one of the Indonesian Bali Bombers yelled out 'REMEMBER KHAIBAR YOU JEWS' so.. Keiran.. do YOU know what happened there ? do you know where it is ? why would Amrosi in 2005 mention something so long ago ? why ? hmmmmm *thinks*.. maybe just MAYbe, such events are drilled into the Muslim mind as evidence of its triumph over 'The Jews' etc... to inspire them to heroic deeds of blowing up the 'Infidel Westerners' in Kouta etc......OR...in Northern Israel.

For the record, speaking of 'humiliation of a whole race of people'.. the Jews were 'allowed' to remain on 'the' property (formerly 'their' property) as long as they gave 50% of the produce in Tax to Mohamed and became humiliated dimmis.

CANA (Qana)..What was the most significant event to occur ever in this village ? Was it the tragic deaths of 60 or so women and children in the bombing yesterday ? (where....were the men ?) No, the most important event was this "He turned water into wine" 2000 yrs ago.
A man who without bomb or sword, or gun or weapon, impacted history so greatly, by the power of His Word, that today we reference our whole history to Him.

He never hid behind women or children to avoid capture or to use them for propoganda, he said "For this purpose I have come". After declaring that the only thing waiting for Him in Jerusalem was 'death', he 'set his face like a flint' and pressed on to that fate.....for us.

Jesus survived a public policy of extermination of ALL children of a certain age. Brutality is nothing new in the Middle east.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 31 July 2006 5:55:49 AM
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Well said Skeptor

I repeat.. re Cana/Qana.. 'Where were the men' ?

Aussiefella.... in your words I hear echo's of Neville Chamberlain.

Your kind says:

"Oh..its JUST the Sudetenland ...won't effect us...."

"Oh..Its just the anexation of Austria... won't effect us..."

"Oh..Its JUST Chekoslovakia...won't effect us....."

"Oh..Its JUST Poland...... won't effect us....."

But funnily enough....it did.

2006 "Oh, its JUST the capture of a couple of soldiers and murder of 8 others.... won't effect us"

"Its JUST a few Qassam rockets from Gaza and JUST a few Katushyas from Lebanon... wont effect us."

Just as the 3rd RIECH was to last a 1000 yrs, and we under its Jackboot, and every Jew on the face of the earth to be murdered....
So Hamas and Hezbollah have it down in black and white.. similiar sentiments of the destruction of a nation and its people.
Substitute 'Islamic Caliphate' for '3rd Reich' and you have the moral equivalence.

Read of the events of the Macabees, of the Jewish struggle at Masada, or the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70, of the total exile of Jews in 135 by the Romans, read read read... become informed, then perhaps you will no longer be ignorant of history and condemned to make the same mistakes.

Your sad appeasement, your misplaced compassion, your misdirected logic, your twisted sense of reality, are the last thing we need when tomorrow 13 men go on trial in MELBOURNE for alleged plans to assassinate our Prime Minister and his FAMILY ! repeat HIS FAMILY... in the name of ISLAM.

So, of course.... it won't effect us.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 31 July 2006 6:13:26 AM
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The Oilman Behind the Curtain - Part 1

Occasionally one stumbles over a simple life-changing realisation. This happened to me when out of curiousity I Googled "Iraq Haifa pipeline" (no quotes). I beg fellow truth-seekers to do the same. There are 192,000 references.

As well as articles from stalwart publications like Jane's,

http://www.janes.com/regional_news/africa_middle_east/news/fr/fr030416_1_n.shtml

I came upon a link that pre-dated the official creation of Israel itself, written in 1947.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/cliff/works/1947/01/oil1947.htm

To read this article fully, is to be transformed. It was written before we were burdened with the baggage of the Jewish homeland, the PLO, rampant Zionism, Hezbollah, refugees - the whole catastrophe - nay, the MYTHS that have plagued and killed us ever since. It was written years before King Hubbert brilliantly predicted that US oil would go into terminal decline. It was written when Great Britain was still the king of oil and the US was the "Saudi Arabia" of world oil supply.

This article, free of any such constraints, points out correctly that the natural embarkation spot for Middle Eastern oil is the port city of Haifa. Don't take their word for it. Just get a map and see for yourself. It's perfectly logical if you want to distribute oil to the US, Britain and Europe. Factor in the cost of transportation and the security of supply. Simple, oui?
Posted by Chris Shaw, Carisbrook 3464, Monday, 31 July 2006 7:06:10 AM
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To Boaz and everyone else:

The Ten Commandments ('Thou shalt not murder',etc.) are written in the Old Testament of the Bible in the Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 5. Just two chapters prior, you will find this:

Deuteronomy 3:3-5

So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. At that time we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them - the whole region of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city - men, women and children. But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves.

And only two chapters following the Ten Commandments, this:

Deuteronomy 7:1-6

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations - the Hittites,Girgasites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you - and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
Posted by Ev, Monday, 31 July 2006 7:08:42 AM
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