80,000 abortions per year is 80,000 too many. Who would disagree with that? But what do we do about it? Preaching chastity doesn't work. So what does work?

Holland has one of the lowest rates of teen pregnancy in the world. And this is how they do it:

http://www.unesco.org/courier/2000_07/uk/apprend2.htm

Unfortunately, the same religious idealists who oppose abortions usually also oppose sensible sex education. And successive Australian governments are stupid enough to be led by the nose by assorted religious extremists instead of using their common sense.

Snout and Rex.

Your both absolutley right.

Grace the [other] counter argument for adoption is the laws have changed regarding privacy.

Most people who have adopted want it put behind them.

Now days u get a knock on the door twenty years later and that has destroyed even more lives all over again.

That means the mother cops it all over again because she has no rights.

Its all very well to say she can block contact but she cant.

They can only request that agencies do not give her info out but u cant block people from finding u if they really wish.

People then argue that the child has a right to know about their history medical etc.

It seems to me the morning after pill is the most practicle way for women to use if they are not on the pill and dont wish to start a family.

To be able to choose is a basic right.

They are making a pill for men I hear so cheer up.



The more men take half the reponsibilty the better.

You clearly do not have any idea of the deaths through back yard aborsion Grace and the curruption .

Re your comment about the low life men just P off.

Well there is an old saying.

Why buy a book when u can read it at the library.

Whats supposed to happen is U date u fall in love> u Marry> u decide together when or if u have kids.

If u sleep with someone outside marraige there is a greater risk of it not lasting.

These ladies certainly need a supply of this drug.

There is no excuse these days to be living off welfare.

That is no example for any child.

Its certainly not good for the country.

Wendy,

I'm truly sorry for the tragic circumstances of your friend. That is extremely sad.

I have friends who have had abortions, I love them dearly, we have discussed it and my love does not change because of their decision. However, I cannot say that I agree with their decision - but again, it's not my job to sit in judgement either, but to love them and be their friend.

As for the rest of your posts regarding welfare etc, I wasn't quite able to follow your logic. I do think it's incredibly important that men/fathers are considered also in decisions, as it is not solely the woman's decision.

Snout,

Thanks for your reply. Please understand I wasn't categorizing women into 'good' and 'bad' women.. as a sinner myself it would possibly be the pot calling the kettle black. Such distinctions are useless and profit no one.

However, there IS a difference between consentual sex and rape/incest. Sentinent adults make consenting choices knowing the consequences and risks involved. With choices come consequences. Babies don't deserve a 'whoops'.

It is a complex issue, but referring to babies as tumours or parasites somehow implys that they got there through no decision of the woman, and that they are an alien invasion into her body. This arguement is ludicrous and a denial of the reality of sexuality.

God bless

Rex you make some good points! Once again, religion is part of
the problem, rather then a solution.

Not only sex education, but IMHO ethics and morality should be
taught in schools, from a philosophical rather then a religious
perspective. Threatening people with burning forever just doesent
work anymore like it used to.

Sadly it seems that Govts have been holding this one up, because
of old agreements with religions, who of course want to claim
the ethics/morality patch as their own. Clearly public opinion is
changing and politicians should take note.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/parents-want-class-teaching-secular-views-of-morality/2006/08/04/1154198329014.html

Grace, the problem is that the religious still have the belief that
if people have sex, they should be forced to have any resulting
children. Why do you think that they should have the right to
make this compulsory?

Assuming abortion at the current rate of 80,000 Australians have been aborted each year for the past 40 years would mean an extra 3,200,000 Australians under the age of 40 and 2,000,000 of those would be working in creative jobs supporting an aging population now entering welfare. The population balance and the economic balance of our Nation would not have the threatening state that now exists. Start meddling in social engineering and natural consequences are the result. We have had to import mature labour from in some cases nationalities that do not hold our values and loyalties to National security. They do not abort their children so have large families that will change the demographics of our values.

Grace..

Thank you for your kind words.

Its not just sad Grace its criminal.

Its the result of people like you who cant mind their own business and want to tell others what to do.

Those people in my mind should have been charged.

You seem not to know what underground terminations to to a soceity in general.

Cant you see how unreasonable you are trying tostop women having this tablet if THEY want it?

No man married or otherwise has the right to force a woman.

That would be slavery .

I think you are lucky to have nice friends and I do hope you kept your personal thoughts to yourself and did not dump on them.

At the risk of annoying people especially philo I find it sad you worry about something less than a grain of rice in size and turn your back on the mass animal cruelty of live exports.

Its pathetic.