Does anyone consider adoption anymore?

Excluding exceptional circumstances (rape/incest), because we must never base a rule on an exception to it, where consenting parties are engaging in a behaviour (sex) that has risks of pregnancy regardless.

It is a choice to have sex, and choices of sentinent adults have responsibilities attached. Now, if a new life is created then surely there is a responsibility to that child who has been created. If this is inconvenient (!?!) to the consenting, and thus responsible, adults then why not consider adoption as an alternative to the cessation of life in a brutal fashion whether with cytotoxic chemicals or surgically.

Steve Madden: Please note... it is fortunate then that Christians are not under the Old Mosaic Covenant to which you refer. God bless.

"Does anyone consider adoption anymore?"

Grace, I'm sure that would be a solution for a few kids. OTOH,
if 80k people a year (those who abort now) threw their offspring
onto the adoption market, the market would be flooded and unable
to cope.

If we look at history, many of those kids landed up in Catholic
orphanges and the history of Catholic orphanages suggests that
I would not want by worst enemy to go through that process,
let alone a child of mine.

I'm sure a few Catholic paedophiles would love to see an increase
of children in Catholic orphanages, but its ceraintly not a
solution, for any person who considers themselves a humanist

Yabby Col Billie and others.

Dont worry about philo and Grace like Rain

Strange.

Where does this person get off telling other women to go through a full term pregnacy, pay for it, take time off work, feel like dirt loose their jobs, risk a difficult birth even death spoil their figure[yes it counts], suffer extream pain just to mention a few things to give a child to a stranger.

Who in the hell do you think you are.

Yes sex is by consent most times but so what its a normal part of life dizy rainy not some immoral act that woman are soley reasonsible for.

Men also should not be forced to have a child and pay for the reast of their lives after a one night stand.

It happens its life. This is 2006.

What about the rape cases? Ah?

Do you think its good for a womans mental health to be fORCED to have some kid after being raped! or according to you doesnt that matter. Oh Gee You would find your peace with god. What a weak miserable spineless cope out. If i were raped i would want the bastards kid that for sure.

To have a kid knowing the father raped you.

You think girls should be punished twice who are raped do you.

Thats your almighty belief.

Well Rainy lady until you are able to except that its none of your business what others do your going to stay in your own strange small world.

Its a pity the drug is not available in africa isnt it.

Might save a few million suffering.

Oh but I forgot thats your gods will too according to you.

Well our god does not want people to suffer like that and he wants women to repect themselves.

You cant respect yourself if you are treated as a peice of crap breeding machine.
We will decide IF? and WHEN we want to start a family
.
Not You.

Go To that place your so scared of.


Guess What>

It doesnt exist.

When you are dead there is nothing

Hi Yabby,

I can understand your point. I certainly am a realist regarding this regardless of my pro-life position.

Abortions, unfortunately and tragically, will always happen regardless of the legality or not of the proceedure. Whether that is my own preferred outcome or not probably effects people not a jot. I wasn't exactly aware of the statistics in Australia (80,000 is very sad - so many lives affected), thanks for filling me in.

However, the seriousness of the act of abortion must still be considered. The impact both physically and psychologically to the mother (and perhaps, her partner) is huge - even excluding the moral issues of ending the life of a growing child (not that they should be excluded IMO).

Adoption seems to be a road rarely travelled and I think that is sad. It seems so disposable. Choices do have consequences and responsibilities and these must be taken into account. I do know at current rates it is very difficult to adopt a child and that we have a shortage of infants for adoption here. It should not be so unheard of that people take responsibility for their actions, even if this means that they do not keep the child as their own.

Making life and the creation of it so cheap and disposable is hardly humanist either.

Hi Wendy,

I'm not sure what to say to your angry outburst except that is actually not my intention to sit in judgement over others. I merely am bringing back an important point - personal responsibility. Do we so easily forget in a disposable world?

Also, I expressly excluded exceptional cases of rape and incest first up because I don't beleive that we should make rules about terrible, traumatic incidents in the same way as we do about the more 'normal' cases of consentual sex and subsequent conceptions.

Please note that respect for one's self and avoiding responsibility are two very different things.

God bless

Grace.

You have no right to expect any women to have kids with HER body just because you feel it would be nice to be able to pass out kids to childless couples.

My girlfriend many years was in that position.

She was young frightended and kicked out of home because her parents were [good] church people.

She had not wanted to have a child but could not get a termination unless three Drs said she was crazy.

How insulting.

She even begged them.

How dare they tell her what to do with HER body and life.

How selfish you are with no consideration for her to be free to choose.

Feel free to have a hundred kids with your body but dont tell

others what to do.

You simply have no respect for others right to decide.

Your a fanatic and a bully.

You think you can Jam your extream view down others throats.

We are not telling you that you cant give birth a hundred times if thats what turns you on.

Your lot dont consider the damage they do to women inside when they stand out the front of Drs and clinics with their arms holding murder etc do they.?

Shame on you.

Oh and my girlfriend I mentioned.

Shes dead.

She died in a forced childbirth.

So much for your pro life!

Grace,

I’m a bit troubled by your last couple of posts. Carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term and then relinquishing the baby for adoption is a fine and admirable option for a few, and those who freely choose to do so deserve all the support we can give them. But I would hate to put pressure on any woman to have to make that choice. There are many women alive today who have had that experience from the bad old days when abortion was not an option, and in many cases the pain they’ve had to carry has been devastating. (Let alone the horrendous story of Wendy’s friend) See http://www.smh.com.au/news/Adele-Horin/Dont-airbrush-cruelties-of-adoption/2005/02/25/1109180105480.html

I agree: 80 000 abortions is far too many, and a major part of the solution is to promote the access and use of safe and effective contraception. I hope that’s part of your position too.

I’m very uncomfortable with making a special distinction for pregnancies resulting from rape or incest. It carries the implication that an unwanted pregnancy resulting from consensual sex is a punishment that a woman might deserve, as opposed to a pregnancy resulting from being victimized. Talking about unwanted pregnancies in terms of “good” or “bad” women is, to say the least, a very unhelpful way of approaching the issue.