Dear Wendy,

The original article was about the use of chemicals to induce a termination of a pregnancy.

"Canadian scientist Dr Ed Napke has observed: “One must remember that chemical surgery, namely exposing the body to chemical products, is more intrusive than physical surgery.”

Then there are the emotional effects. Some studies report chemical abortion as more psychologically harrowing. Significant numbers of women report the anxiety caused by the long wait for the pregnancy to pass too difficult and that the bleeding was 'emotionally difficult to see'."

I merely stated an observation that some tribes had used in the past herbal remedies to end a pregnancy. In response to the above section of the article.

At no point did the article discuss either, live exports or intensive farming.

"You have no such compashion for the cries from the unbeleibale cruelty of live exports and intensive farming."(sic) Wendy Lewthwaite

Nor did the article discuss the abuse of children by members of the clergy (including nuns).

Again I will reiterate labelling a person whose post you disagree with "a rapists or a child abuser" is really offensive and abusive!
This is not an uncommon tactic used primarily to try and take the high moral ground and to play the victim

James

I pointed out that its insulting for any man to want to discuss what is clearly no persons business, other than the lady who is taking the pill because she does not wish to become pregnant.

As if that were not insulting enough but to top it off you have extream people calling any women who has used this tablet a murderer .

The rest was quoted from a book I read years ago and found interesting.

Its a simple fact that child abusers and rapists seem to enjoy this type of conversation. Just ask any shrink.

I am sure the facts about different treatment and medication are available to all Drs to discuss with their clients and I am just as sure they dont need your help.

So are you saying that a operation is less of a problem than a pill.

I dont think most women would agree with you especially considering the cost involved.

Tony the Pony cant find enough beds now.

So James tell me what is it that makes you keep on about ladies business?

Are you one of these extream church People? Or a control freak?

I mean fair dinkim mate its hardley a blokes topic is it?

As for my comments on people with their so called concern for life, I simply pointed out, that this drug is used on something not even the size of a grain of rice.

Steve Feilding and most Catholics etc dont care about suffering animals due to live exports and the hundreds of torture chambers like the one owned by Amanda Vanstone.

I think it very relavant James to outline the extrorinary double standards by these fanatics.

You think you have the right to force women to have children because they had intercourse the night before.

In the same breath you dont give a dam about animals that are already here and suffering terribly while your type turn a blind eye.

I know you dont see that as relavant or hypocritical.

Thats the point.

I see no connection between fanaticism and Catholicism. Perhaps there is more of a connection between atheism and fanaticism! I am referring to those people who are so belligerent in their belief that there is no God that they are willing to attack one who has the gift of faith. I call for more freedom here - freedom from prejudice.
Also, a note on vocabulary. Pro-choice, anti-choice. Since when has choice been an absolute condition of human morality?

To overemphasise our freedom to choose is to fail to see the reality. We are not islands. Neither man nor woman can be completely self-reflexive in their judgement.

A better image of humanity is a 'royal priesthood'. Throughout the ages priests have ministered to the people, raising signs of God for them to see their own reflection in. Also, in Australia, the Catholic Church has been in effect a kind of government in opposition to the status quo of enforced secularism. My people have needed the freedom to profess their faith; otherwise they perish.

Remember the book of Kings in the Bible, and King Solomon's famous dream at Gibeon. When he could have asked for anything in the world, he asked for the mental faculties of decision-making. "'..give your servant a heart to understand how to govern your people, how to discern between good and evil, for how could one otherwise govern such a great people as yours?' 'Since you have asked for this,' God said, 'I give you a heart wise and shrewd ... What you have not asked I shall give you too: such riches and glory as no other king can match. And I shall give you a long life, if you follow my ways, keeping my laws and commandments.'"
[The First Book of the Kings, chapter 3, verses 9-14]

Why do we imagine man and woman as 'opposite' in their sexual selves? A better way is to conceive of them as 'other' to oneanother.
A child knows a confused or frightened adult is one who tends to take themselves very seriously and repels them by their rough blindness.

The bottom line is. there is right and there is wrong.

Good and bad.

God is good..

For example real followers of the lord just do good.

They are kind to all creatures and people.

They are usually the unsung hero's the ones you dont here about.

They dont preshume to know better and many dont even go to church.

They certainly dont get about calling ladies who are not breaking any laws murderes.

Gandi said you can judge a nation and the type of people by the way they treat their animals, and if they treat their animals with compashion this is then taught to the children which flows through humanity.

Cathlic Churches and others have NEVER speak out about this.

Its their job if nothing else to lead .

I have first hand knowledge of the attitude of heads of churches after travelling from QLD to melbourne with the CEO of RSPCA to show Steve Fieling the horifying facts regarding live exports and intensive farming.

90 percent of the public want this cruelty stopped so if nothing else one would have also thought that to listen would have been a smart political move.

He also thinks something less than a grain of rice or termination if you like is more important.

Shame on them.

Stop worrying about something the size of a grain of rice thats not even born or here and start having some compashion for ALL living beings.

From a distance the lord is watching all of us and everything.

Something tells us hes not real happy about these fanatics that cant get the basics right.

He who throws the first stone etc.

Thats ok just keep on ignoring the facts.

You people are so good at it as you have been doing for millions of years.

The no comment only re confirms that.

We will continue to do gods work while you lot grand stand.

I wonder which the lord prefers?

I like your questions, Wendy. Yet I believe that God is not only 'watching from a distance', as the song lyrics go.
The sense I have of God relates to what is happening in my life. God 'is'. Living each day in constant prayer and awareness of how God is here makes my notion of God quite fluid. Not that God is simply conjured by thought. God is beyond thought, and resides in the heart of things, from which human-centred and loving ideas begin. The saints are also present in this day. For instance, the presence of Mary the mother of God can be sensed by simply feeling a need for her comfort.
God wants us to come to faith like a child trustingly asks her parent for bread, knowing that she will receive it. It is prayer also, to ask a saint to intercede for me to God. In the Catholic tradition, saints are not only those announced by the Church leaders. All of humanity, past, present and future generations are called to belong to the Communion of Saints. Such that relatives who have passed on can provide us with a 'talking point' to God.
The Church believes that it is the 'little ones' (called the anawim in Jesus' language) alive today that best express what God is about. These are the young and the old, and those who are uncomplicated by fears, money or demons.
Through caring for the vulnerable in our community, including pregnant women and the unborn, we are called affirm their worth and value. Their devotion to the sacraments (especially to the daily Eucharist) is a sign of God's presence in the world.
Freedom for anawim is to relate and to be related to. To simply dwell in another's company, or, if they are not welcomed, to shake the dust off their clothing, and move on.
Thereby we understand what Jesus meant when he said: "I am the way, the truth and the life."

Renee.

Thanks for your comment.

The truth and the life are> The proof is in the pudding.

The sad fact remains nobody wants to answer the question.

I do beleive god is watching from a distace each any every one of us.

I beleive that when he comes back to earth it will also be because he is really angry as to how his creatures have been treated.

And there iS no comparison between a grain of rice and a living suffering creature.

Until we teach our children that through all churches we are not
doing gods work.

There is more in the Koran about treating animals kindly thean the bible.

I bet hes angry about that too.

As far as the morning after pill its a pity it wasnt used in Africa and a few other places to save millions of kids starving and suffering.

All in the name of religion.

Its time to face facts .

Common sense and common decency must provail.

I am discusted at these posters calling women murderers.

There no exuse for that with their uneducated ravings.

Its fair to say some cathlic Churches are involving themselves more with the blessing of the animals but there are NO animal Welfare groups run by Churches.

Nor do they speak out about the cruelty of live animal exports or intensive farming where the animal cant even turn around!

If its anybodies job surley its theirs.

They are all too scared to loose their Government funding.

Some of the most cruel people on earth donate to the Government to allow many ministers and media gaints like Murdoch and Packer and Amanda vanstone with their conflict of interest to continue their hidious crimes of gross inhumanity.

Shame On Them

and

shame on all churches.

All this concern about a women who is [possibly] possibly[ mind you

twelve hours pregnant. p p please!