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Let's watch our judgmental language : Comments

By Richard Prendergast, published 13/7/2006

Official statements calling gays and lesbians ‘disordered’ and ‘violent’ don't make them feel welcome and respected by the church.

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Dear Philo,

My experience has been similar to yours - in that I have never conceived child while engaging in hot anal love-play with a plant or shrub.

But we certainly both enjoyed it, and fortunately I have plenty more "spermotoza" should I ever need it for other projects.

Incidentally, it is egregiously offensive to me and my people that you publicly corrupt the spelling of our sacred, God-given, spermatozoa.
Posted by Dewi, Wednesday, 19 July 2006 4:17:35 PM
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Also, Philo, gametes - not gamates.

God intended for you to go out and use them, not sit around spelling their names randomly on web forums.
Posted by Dewi, Wednesday, 19 July 2006 4:23:57 PM
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SAINTFLETCHER

you pose what is to be known as the "John Howard Conundrum" - saying sorry for something you didn't do.

The neo-nazi's and and anti-gay protestors should be charged with assault. End of discussion. People who bash other people should be charged. I am sorry this has occurred. It is like those who choose to kill abortionists using a proportion argument. Sorry, that mentality doesn't cut it. If you are truly a believer, then leave that level of justice to someone else.

Your bigger issue, that this violence is Church & State sanctioned, also falls under the "John Howard Conundrum" because laws have unintended outcomes that, whilst forseeable, are set aside in the hope that civilised means will be used to reach the 'agree to disagree' status of something like this forum.

No one deserves acts of violence to be set against them. Nor do the sensibilities of the large majority need this to be (repeatedly) thrown in their face. The protests you speak of need to be viewed in the context that we in the West have exercised a level of tolerance, albeit limited and more along the lines of 'not my cup of tea' that has seen parlimentarians, without reference to the electorate, decriminalise and attempt to normalise certain behaviours (prostitution, gay sex, drug harm minimisation etc).

These other nations are not prepared to accept minority views or western decadence. Their politicians are not prepared to compromise their beliefs or those of the majority of their society. that's fine, but, we would need proof that they are actually soliciting party members or citizens to take vigilante action. In the absence of charges, one could, erroneously perhaps, say these actions are state sponsored.

The fact that the Electoral Commissioner doesn't investigate fraudulent enrolments of candidates doesn't mean that the State supports fraud, but, more likely, it reflects a personal indifference to the few involved.

I would be happy to lobby the Polish twins to ensure that charges be laid, but, collateral damage - ie. gay persons in the violence - may also be charged.
Posted by Reality Check, Wednesday, 19 July 2006 4:28:27 PM
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Dewi, Spermotoza wasn't wasted. He just had to sit the World Cup finals out because of a hamstring injury.
Posted by Sancho, Wednesday, 19 July 2006 7:15:46 PM
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w,
thank you for the enlightening link to Godwin's law, with its discussion of the "reductio ad Hitlerum". It clarifies much. I'd suggest that a similar law regarding the "reductio ad coitum analem" could also be considered. However, the recent discussion around sperm wastage probably defies any any sensible effort at regulating rhetorical output. Many thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.
Proboscoid regards,
Posted by Snout, Wednesday, 19 July 2006 8:54:14 PM
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Robert,
All your examples are spurious claims as the loss of sperm was not the point of my argument. The point was that no amount of anal sex will fulfil the purpose and design of humanity. It will actually result in disease, injury and disorder to a balanced society. How can a gay or lesbian teacher counsel normal hetrosexual relationships; that is what is involved in holding a teaching or example position in the Church. From what I have witnessed of gay persons they are sad, obsessive and spiritually unfulfilled.

Currently we have 25,000 queers wanting to meet in Jerusalem for a parade. They are obviouslly obsessive about their sexuality they have to flaunt it before the world. Perhaps Hamas or Hizb'Allah will see the decadence of this event and demonstrate their anger with a rain on the parade.
Posted by Philo, Wednesday, 19 July 2006 10:18:31 PM
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