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By Richard Prendergast, published 13/7/2006Official statements calling gays and lesbians ‘disordered’ and ‘violent’ don't make them feel welcome and respected by the church.
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...and dont' forget that homosexuals are also more likely to be the victim of gay-bashing than heterosexuals (100%).
Posted by Celivia, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 1:41:19 PM
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Celivia, I doubt that it is actually 100%. One of the difficulties for the gay bashers is that not all gays walk around in tight pink shorts so sometimes they have to take a guess and it takes a fairly big act of faith to believe that they would always get that right.
No stats to back up that claim, just a strong belief that predjudice often hits individuals outside it's target group. Your point is well made though. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 2:41:35 PM
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Where do I start, “reality” check?
First, this discussion is not about homosexuals’ health issues. It’s about their lack of acceptance in mainstream religions. If homosexuals did indeed suffer disproportionately from the problems listed here, that would be yet another reason to bring them into mainstream communities of belief for some help and support. Second, lifting words from another website and posting them here without acknowledgement is theft. At the bottom of the page you copied them from (http://www.worldcongress.org/wcfupdate/Archive07/wcf_update_723.htm) you'll find a copyright statement, indicating that the authors do not allow the kind of fraudulent misappropriation you have committed here. One can only wonder about the ethical standards that allow you to malign a group of law-abiding people while behaving illegally yourself. Third, the article your post refers to was written by a team headed by Paul Cameron, whose anti-gay “research” has been widely discredited. Try this http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Cameron, this http://www.bewareofthegod.com/wp-images/BOTG_news_1.pdf or just pick any of these: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22Paul+Cameron%22+discredited Cameron’s lies, and your shonky practices in spreading them, are just a small part of the daily spite that homosexual people in this country have to deal with. Don’t bother with your campaign against gay people (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/user.asp?id=1767&show=history). If you want to make the world a better place, start working on your own behaviour. Posted by w, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 2:41:39 PM
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Dear W,
sorry about not being able to finish my earlier post so that the attribution you so desire would have been made. (Had gone over the 5 per 24h limit.) If my reading of all the earlier posts requesting some data on issues was misdirected than I apologise. I am also (as no doubt others are) happy to be enlightened by your obviously accredited & unbiased assessment of the source of the data. As such, I will not dare finish the extract nor venture to read any further articles from this widely syndicated individual. Regarding the obvious illegitimacy of my contributions, perhaps you should correct yourself and note that "my campaign against gay people" is more accurately described as "campaign against gay muslim people who are against open government and support electoral fraud." That would better summarise the 102 contributions your have no doubt read all of... Given your comments that "“The religious element,” being a subset of society, has no mandate to speak for the greater whole" ignores the fact that the majority of people are part of the religious element - see ABS re % claiming to be Christian - your respect of majority opinion is noted. Posted by Reality Check, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 3:21:25 PM
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Hi Robert,
I should have explained what I meant exactly- I didn’t actually mean that 100% of homosexual people are being gay-bashed but that in 100% of the (verbal and) physical violence directed at homosexuals, the victim is gay. Perhaps I should have said 99% roughly, to allow some space for the few heterosexual males who get bashed for wearing pink pants. Also, in cases of gay-bashings, heterosexuals are almost always the perpetrators since gays normally don’t go around bashing other gays for being gay. I just wanted to make a point to show Reality Check the reality about the validity and prejudice of this research Posted by Celivia, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 3:35:09 PM
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Reality Check, dear oh dear, check your facts, how offensive!
As Adolf Hitler said in Mein Kampf, the truth has nothing to do with it. The purification will be done as people believe what they want. Is that what you did rather than check for credibility? This theory linking Gays and Lesbians with drugs and crime that you upholds as being credible, is in reality: fiction. Why are you so fast to believe this rubbish? Who is "Dr Cameron": the publisher of this so-called research? What is the National CDC? It is actually condemned by genuine US Government CDCs in America for mimicing their authority. The World Family Congress and The Howard Centre in the US is a well known extremist anti-abortion right wing lobby group. They disclosed in in their anti-gay "Manifesto" that they are only two men. http://www.youaredumb.net/archive/2006/06/08 "Parsing national survey data collected...Paul Cameron's "Psychological Reports". This study was co-authored by one "Kirk Cameron", the former star of Growing Pains." lol@ Reality check. Hollywood reasearch? What a space cadet! Who is Paul Cameron? Is Kirk Cameron: actor From sitcom "Growing Pains" an accredited researcher in his study? http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/Crime&Hosx.htm "Dr. James Cameron of the Family Research Institute led and penned the report, which is based upon data gathered in 1996 by the CDC. [NOTE: I believe his name is Paul, not James. E. Fox]". Didn't James Cameron write "The X Files"? Yet Paul, James and Kirk Cameron are the publishers of these fake research documents and they were published 8 years after they were written. It is not just fraudulent information, it is a fabrication from the Church. Hitler would be proud. --- You have a legal obligation to deal with your problems of child abuse in your churches. Blame no one else but yourselves in shame. Crimes of Child abuse are hiding in Churches. They know it too and refuse to take responsibility. Violent anti-gay messages from the Vatican are causing an alliance with violent ultra right Catholics and neo Nazis, as demonstrated in Poland, Russia, and even France. Is your Church on the side of the law? Posted by saintfletcher, Tuesday, 18 July 2006 4:37:14 PM
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