w nice post but I see the conclusion put by you in the last paragraph in a different light.

I don't think the kind of institutional brutality typified in Nazi Germany sprang out of nowhere. It could only exist when a foundation of intollerance was allowed. Where the "man in the street" was desensitised to the singling out of minorities. Likewise I suspect that not all Nazi's started out as evil killers, they started out small and built up to it.

The social climate which allows the kind of repression some posters want has as one potential outcome a slide to the kind of society which I doubt that any of those posters currently imagine themselves supporting.

I do agree that likening those who hold intollerant views as Nazi's is unlikely to help and may possibly harden positions. We should be ever on our guard against the seeds of extremism but don't assume that those who push in that direction have realised where they are heading yet or that all will go there when the consequences become apparent.

Cheers
R0bert

Bennie, your mythical god hasn't said a word ever, however without fantasy and with factual evidence, I'm prepared to listen.

“How on earth do all these people know what God wants? “

Yep not even you or other followers according to your worldwide example.

Bennie, I understand you've no idea beyond illusional fantasy and can but continue on your merry go round ride of ignorance. I'm not a theist, tolerance is displayed by those not trapped in violent fantasies. Monotheism's the most intolerant belief ever dragged out of the sewer, otherwise, there'd be no debate on gays, Islam, Judaism, secularism, or atheism, there'd be enlightened discussion. Tolerance allows others the right to be, monotheism controls at any cost, no tolerance at all.

Daily we see the intolerance of monotheists in every endeavour of life. Its destroyed more cultures than anything else, its rate of sexual abuse within its ranks is high and continues even with 2000 years of saying no, it goes on. Not very tolerant of the believers. We see monotheistic intolerance with children, psychologically abusing them with lies about love and peace, yet providing examples of intolerant violence.

Homosexuality isn't for me, but I don't turn away from homosexuals. I hate tea, coffee, dairy products, eggs and eating enslaved animals for gluttony, (not very tolerant to animals is it). I don't berate or demean people for their choice, I accept their right to be and the fact they make life interestingly different for us all.

Sadly people like coach, have no idea of what life's really about, they're so intolerant and fearful of difference, they have to resort to suppression and degradation of people. Pathological liars display these signs as they can't see beyond their illusions. They display it when faced with truth, they lash out verbally with unsustainable statements, when that fails, they abuse, then attack.

As I said earlier, if homosexuals are stupid enough to want to be a part of this despotic belief, that's their problem and they should realise that monotheism relies on violent suppression for control, not tolerance.

@W the news articles about neo Nazis and ultra right wing Church groups in Poland and Russia happened this year. I am not talking about NAZI Germany in WWII. Surely decent Christians in their postings should agree that this is a travesty. They have failed to comment.

If this is too nasty to consider, and all you want to do is deny it, then we might as well ostrich our way out of Iraq and Islamic terrorism as well, and not even talk about such upsetting things that offend Muslims. Lets face it, upseting the Muslims drives them even further against us. Of course, Christians make their own rules for themselves seperate to Muslims.

I don't buy your argument at all, it smacks of middle class denial. I'm not after acceptance, I don't need it not being gay, I don't even think it is safe for gay people to go to these Churches. I am talking about violent fundamentalist Church attacks against gay people.

If the truth hurts, well that's just tough.

The Vatican is in Rome. We are already talking about another country. Warsaw is in Poland. Moscow is in Russia. None of this is happening in Germany, yet it's happening now. If this shocks people, then I'm surprised they didn't bother to see it on the news, nor do they care.

The European Union cares and certainly condemns this behaviour very seriously. It's a pitty none of you do. There is talk of the EU expelling Poland from the EU for this reason. Poland has abused their EU privileges and could be booted out: for being an oppressive dictatorship, run by an overzealous Christian fundamentalists.

What strikes me is the violent similarity in language that these neo Nazi Christians in Poland and Russia use, in comparison to some hateful language used in postings here.

Any Christian with any spine would condemn this behaviour just as much as I do. So far, this has not happened. Why? Because they agree with the violent oppression. Christians couldn't care less. The truth hurts? P-lease!

hi Alchemist.
You got the wrong end of the stick. I've never suggested there is a god, but where faith leads to tolerance then fine by me.

Philo, I'm guessing that your church is one of the mainstream Christian churches. If you re-read my post, you'll find I'm refering to two evangelistic churches. I won't mention which two. I can assure you that both require their congregation to give one tenth of their wage to the church each week and those same parishioners freely give that amount. Some are average working people, some are very well off indeed. In my second reference, I know a lot more about that particular church than I do the first. I personally (to this day) know one family that double tithes each week, the theory being that you will receive "double the reward from God in return." Always sounded a lot to me like 'buying' God's favors, but I never said as much. The male in this family also told me he knows of several other members of his church who double tithe. With fanatics like these, I'm afraid your calculator is of no use.

How sad that those who say they are Christians, would deny the right of any person, to follow their personal religous beliefs.
I being born into a devout catholic family, still enjoy the love and support of my family as a gay man.
I could not retain my belief, because of the rejection by the catholic church towards gay people. Also the undertone of violence, that the catholic church espouses against my being.
My family are now concerned about their churches social attitude, and the vitriolic comments coming from the catholic church.
My families beliefs have altered, as one of their children is being used has a whipping stick, for no reason other than ecumanical dictate of what the church says goes.
To those "cristians" who would deny the right of anybody, to the right of belief and belonging. I pity you!