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Talk of a failed state is not accurate : Comments

By Minh Nguyen, published 26/6/2006

Labelling East Timor a 'failed state' and linking this status to international terrorism and crime is unhelpful.

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Sure, but that dosn't make Timor Leste's decision to accept their doctors any less sensible. Cuba's doctors are paid shockingly, but that dosn't mean they're unskilled.
Posted by Laurie, Friday, 30 June 2006 2:00:03 PM
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PTBI says :
"As for the 1999 events, it is clear the perpetrator of the destruction then are the East Timorese themselves. As we can see today, East Timorese main hobby is BBQ-ing their own cities and towns to ashes. Last week, they managed to burn down 60% of Dili within a few days under the nose of Australian soldiers."

How true, PTBI, thank you.
They always say things like "pro-Jakarta militia", while in fact they are East Timorese. Also in 1999 there were some pro-Indonesian East Timorese killed by pro-independence East Timorese, but Australian media did not bother to report this.

They used to see East Timorese as victims, now they are surprise to see the victims become the monsters themselves.

Amazing to see how easy people get themselves fooled.
They even believe in nonsense rumor who claim that Habibie said "not to leave even an ant live" in East Timor back then. What a big joke, but there are people who actually BELIEVE in that nonsense! Can you believe it?!

I am not proud with Suharto's regime, but I read somewhere that his govt said that giving referendum to East Timor was impossible because it would make East Timor descend into civil war.
Also read it somewhere that when Habibie brought up his intention to give East Timor referendum in his cabinet meeting, the only member of his cabinet who disagree was FM Ali Alatas, who concerned that East Timor would descend into civil war.
I wish East Timorese prove themselves that both Suharto and Ali Alatas prediction about East Timor civil war, were wrong.
Posted by Ningtyas, Friday, 30 June 2006 2:33:50 PM
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@Ningtyas:

Sama2x :-)

@Laurie:

It wouldn't be so sensible if these Cuban doctors keep abandoning their jobs and flee to Indonesia in order to achieve their ultimate dream of gaining asylum in the USA
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Friday, 30 June 2006 3:20:19 PM
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Maracas, if you are still returning to this thread, be assured that most of us are not unseated by noise.

The VU meter says that you have touched a nerve. Well done!

In your absence, I will post an invaluable link or two. Viz:

http://www.parasindonesia.com/read.php?gid=367

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http://www.parasindonesia.com/read.php?gid=361

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http://nautilus.rmit.edu.au/forum-reports/0618a-tanter.html

Enjoy!
Posted by Chris Shaw, Carisbrook 3464, Friday, 30 June 2006 8:02:45 PM
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some intelligent links there Chris Shaw.
Mari Alkatiri's most recent statements following his self sacrifice indicate he is prepared to put the interests of the Country before his own unlike the egocentric position of Xanana Gusmao.

Alkatiri has called on Fretilin Militants who participated in a non-violent,disciplined demonstration of around 6000 to reject violence and divisive east/west rhetoric in the interests of the Country.

This is in stark contrast to the behaviour of the pro Gusmao elements who continue to terrorise,loot and burn Dili.Gusmao has called for calm but his supporters have not heeded his call.

Jose Ramos Horta continues to hover in the wings hoping for an appointment as Prime Minister. A position he has a snowballs chance in hell of achieving in an election.

A resolution of the crisis depends on the willingness of the instigators of the violence to enter into dialogue. Now is the time for President Gusmao to display leadership instead of knee jerk reaction to the very dubious Liz Jackson's Four Corners program constructed on unproven allegations which gave air time to the anti Government forces and didn't even interview Alkatiri whilst it proceeded to demonise him.
Posted by maracas, Saturday, 1 July 2006 12:24:46 AM
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PTBI and Ningtyas

Nothing like a robust exchange of views between neighbors.

The difference between our countries is that many Australians publicly admit where we have let down East Timorese. It appears from your comments that any possibility of Indonesian wrongdoing is met by denial.

Its not encouraging that Maracas appears to have decided to ignore your denial.

This has several possibilities/implications:

- that the Fretilin support base line is to only criticize the “neocolonialist” situation of the moment

- that Fretilin has a policy of good relations with Indonesia and now wishes to submerge the past, and

Maracas silence suggests that Indonesian rule must have been benevolent after all… ;-)

Its plain to me that the population statistics on which you (and the CIA) base your opposing arguments of East Timorese deaths are a flawed methodology - because your differing assessments of the data are so contradictory. So arguing the numbers appears pointless.

In the end the hard left of Fretilin will critisize the white "imperialists" no matter what they do. If Fretilin now wishes to ignore what Indonesia has done perhaps Australia should hand the baby back to you.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 1 July 2006 11:24:53 AM
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