human interest,
To give a genuine comparison could you give % of Black population compared to % white population upon which you quote the following or compare crimes per 100,000 head of the ethenic group etc.


Quote, "blacks make up only thirteen percent of drug users and sixteen percent of dealers. Most dealers and 76 percent of users are white, according to federal data.

Ask the average American to describe the typical violent criminal, and likewise they’ll say he’s a black male, although the Justice Department’s annual Victimization Survey indicates that African Americans commit only 26 percent of all violent crimes in a given year. Non-Hispanic whites commit the majority of such offenses, and thus, are the “typical” violent criminals.

To Mr Boaz.

I regret that I was unable to respond to your recent reasonable post, but parrying multiple opponents is difficult under the rules of this site.

I am kicking the ants nest because I am fed up of Steven Hagan’s customary “blame the white fella for everything” mindset. He cries about racial discrimination when it comes to being excluded on the basis of his race from a nightclub, yet he knows full well that white people are racially discriminated against in regards to paying fishing licenses, access to “aboriginal” land, property rights, access to education scholarships, access to scarce medical and dental facilities in remote areas, and even justice before the law. I don’t see him crying over that. To people with Hagan’s mindset, racism is only bad when directed at black people, not vice versa.

Steven Hagan was excluded from the nightclub for exactly the same reason why you and I would be excluded from the next black tie function at the Sydney Yacht Club. People prefer to socialize within their own cultural and intellectual group where they can rely upon the other socialites having similar intellectual abilities and very similar cultural values that they have. They prefer to keep their distance from people who have opposing social views and who they have reason to consider possess lower intellect. Put simply, human beings are not equal. Some people are smart and some are dumb. Some are smart in some areas (talents) and dumb in other areas. The natural layering of every society has always reflected this.

It may be impolite and even illegal to say that a race of humans is not as smart as another, but it appears to be “common sense” to me that this is true. And if the people who are the apologists for black dysfunction all around the globe can only rationalize black failure by constantly blaming my white race for it, then the time for being polite is over.

Redneck just won’t give up!

‘Some people are smart and some are dumb,’ she asserts without a trace of irony in her self-assessment. ‘The natural layering of every society has always reflected this [inequality].’ Words like ‘natural’ work like magic for rednecks the world over. They drop them into the conversation and presto! No need for any thinking, evidence or argument.

‘It may be impolite and even illegal to say that a race of humans is not as smart as another,’ Our Redneck continues, ‘…but it appears to be “common sense” to me that this is true.’ The problem with so-called “common sense” is that it’s a commodity you recognize in yourself but not in those who disagree with you. It was once “common sense” to assert that the earth was flat and those who disagreed were vilified and persecuted. Totalitarians thrive on their “common sense” view of the world and don’t tolerate those who have a different “common sense”.

So “common sense” tells Redneck that ‘…white people are racially discriminated against in regards to paying fishing licenses, access to “aboriginal” land, property rights, access to education scholarships, access to scarce medical and dental facilities in remote areas, and even justice before the law.’

Redneck, I know you don’t like dealing with facts but an objective report on the extent of discrimination for Indigenous Australians in housing, education, health and other essentials can be found in the 2004 Report from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS 4714.0) http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4714.0Main+Features12002?OpenDocument

Can I suggest, Redneck, that you quit now? You're giving the rest of us 'whities' a bad name.

redneck

You tried to skew the facts to support your bias.

I find it easy to believe that you are a fully fledged member of a white supremacist organisation, your propaganda and pseudo-science arguments are the same as that espoused by them.

see: http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrchap6.htm

"Resurrecting Racism: The modern attack on black people using phony science"

"...black people in the US did relatively poorly in IQ tests because they had little access to educational opportunities, and these tests were designed to measure how much of the culture of upper-class white society a person had acquired. Blacks were barely exposed to this culture, so naturally they had not acquired it. The claim that they were innately stupid because they had done poorly on IQ tests was therefore obviously nonsense,..."

Your figures suggesting that blacks being imprisoned at higher rates than whites as your proof of criminality and lower IQ, are once more, another racist furphy. It has more to do with the bias and prejudice of the US judicial system.

"Racial profiling -- the police practice of stopping, questioning, and searching potential criminal suspects in vehicles or on the street based solely on their racial appearance -- has also contributed to racially disproportionate drug arrests, although there are no reliable estimates of the number. In many locales, black drivers are disproportionately stopped for minor traffic offenses and then searched. Similarly, blacks and other minorities have been disproportionately targeted in "stop and frisk" operations in which police temporarily detain, question, and pat down pedestrians suspected of criminal activity. In New York City, for example, between January 1998 and March 1999, police officers made far more stop and frisks in minority neighborhoods; even within neighborhoods with primarily white populations, the majority of the people stopped were black or Hispanic."

from:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-04.htm#TopOfPage
-Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs

"If all nonviolent offenses (property, drugs, public order, etc) are combined, 73 percent of all blacks sent to prison were sentenced for nonviolent crimes. Seventy-three percent of whites admitted to prison were also sentenced for nonviolent offenses"

see
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-05.htm#TopOfPage
and
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-01.htm#TopOfPage
and
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00.htm#TopOfPage

Philo, your info

http://www.isteve.com/crime_imprisonment_data_by_state_by_race.htm

redneck

"white people are racially discriminated against in regards to paying fishing licenses, access to “aboriginal” land, property rights, access to education scholarships, access to scarce medical and dental facilities in remote areas, and even justice before the law."

Oh, the fact that Aboriginal people are, by all available measures, the poorest and most disadvantages group of people in Australia, doesn't stop you from whinging about a few land rights and social justice remedies. You're not content that the white majority has oppressed and discriminated against Aborigines since the invasion and stealing of their land. You just fume at the few remedies that they have to address their land rights issues.

Yes, you do have to ask for permission to enter Aboriginal land (not often denied) as a courtesy, same as I have to knock and ask permission to enter your home. Poor Australians have the same social security pension access to dental and medical services that Aboriginal Australians have, unfortunately in remote areas those facilities are not available, so Aboriginals are discriminated against even further.

from: The fight against racism: Principles of non-discrimination and equality.

http://www.hreoc.gov.au/social_justice/nt_issues/fight.html#nondisc

"This passage identifies the salient features of the two legal models of equality - namely, formal and substantive equality.

A formal equality approach relies on the notion that all people should be treated identically regardless of such differences. However, an approach "which relies on the notion that all people should be treated the same, denies the differences which exist between individuals and promotes the idea that the state is a neutral entity free from systemic discrimination. In reality '[t]he fact that… Aborigines… have been subjected to appalling inequalities demonstrates that formal equality is compatible with the grossest injustice."

A substantive equality model, such as that adopted by Judge Tanaka, takes into account 'individual, concrete circumstances'. It acknowledges that racially specific aspects of discrimination such as cultural difference, socio-economic disadvantage and historical subordination must be taken into account in order to redress inequality in fact."

FEEDBACK PLEASE jdrmot@tpg.com.au if u don't want to waste a post.

Thanx Redneck for addressing my question...

Others.. I haven't seen any actual response to my serious questions about identity.. I've even said I'm a 'White supremacist' :) in a sense that I've qualified of course... but still no flack.. I'm doing abit of what redneck is doing..kicking the ants nest... to try to generate a bit deeper thinking on these issues.

I heard yesterday from a lady who attends the gym I goto, that at the Uni she attends, there are SEPARATE TOILETS for Muslim women ! x 100
This is clearly 'apartied' and stinks.

This kind of thing with toilets is not 'tolerance' it is actually apartied. Non Muslims would NOT be allowed to use these loos, and that is of course direct discrimination on the basis of religion.

I'll find out more as soon as I can, and let you all know the outcome.

White=right ? not if it involves issues of fundamental injustice. But no situation is a simple 2+2=4 our current situation is based on complex history and social events. Whites are not more or less 'right' than they would be if they happened to be 'black' when they came to Australia. (or yellow)