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If you're white, you're right : Comments

By Stephen Hagan, published 25/5/2006

Not a lot has changed over the last one hundred years: racism still persists in Australian society.

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Well.. I guess I better join the 'rip into Redneck' club :)

Sorry Reddy.. no offense. What u say about the genetic predisposition to crime seems at odds with common sense. For goodness sake..'crime' is always relevant to the prevailing legal/social system, and you would expect completely black communities to be much more prone to crime, but what u see in Africa is TRIBAL old son.... not an outcome of genes.

It may be possible to show crime stats which 'suggest' that black people are more prone to crime, but the problem is, its not in any way genetic. It could only ever be in the culture, of which there are many.

I still reckon you are wasting time pushing that barrow. As you know, I married into an indigenous race, and the experience demonstrated overwhelmingly that they are just as bright and dumb as we are. Not that I doubted that before, but to see it confirmed so firmly was good.

I honestly don't know where u are coming from in this. Do you want to rid Australia of black people ? I think there is more crime coming from the Middle Eastern group than the black.

Indigenous crime in Australia must not be viewed in the same way as crime in general, because the historical reasons also contribute to this.

I'm all for supremacy of one ethnic group in Australia (us :) but I would never base that idea on a concept of 'superiority' in the genetic racial sense which you seem to be suggesting.

For the record, we already have an 'Anglo Supremacist' government, and all our branches of government reflect this.

The reason this is workable, is due to a mixed ethno/historical/philosophical background and a much more open and tolerant outlook. We just live for the 'country' rather than our specific ethnicity. All other passengers can enjoy the ride and share the fruit. Just don't try to make us all talk Italian, Greek, Arabic or whatever :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 5:48:57 PM
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To Mr Jigga.

Why Asian culture did not become pre eminent before western culture is a mystery to me. But I predict that Asian nations will become the pre eminent powers on this Earth in future, because of their intelligence, work ethic and exemplary social cohesion. They will not have a bar of multiculturalism, and one former Japanese Prime Minister (Nakasone) is on record as once saying that the USA is stuffed, because it has too many undesirable minorities wrecking the country. China even passed a law making it illegal for Chinese girls to have relationships with black student doctors who were undergoing training in a university in Peking.

Your second question reveals that you are still having trouble understanding the link between genetics, behaviour and crime. I will give you two more examples that most people can relate too.

Homosexuality was once a criminal offence in many western countries. Homosexuality was legalised in this country in response to the public’s realisation that this activity was not a lifestyle choice that could be prevented through making it illegal. Homosexuals can no more change their sexual orientation than they can change their eye colour. Their sexual orientation is intrinsic and innate. It is programmed into their DNA. Whether any society considers this genetically programmed behaviour as criminal, depends upon the social and religious cultural values of the individual societies.

My second example is a famous trial in Italy in the late 19th Century, where an Italian woman was acquitted of a charge of attempted murder. Her family ( including her stabbed husband) testified at court that the woman was of exemplary character, but that the family knew that with the onset of her menstual cycle, she turned into a violent and abusive person that was totally out of character with her usual self. The enlightened court concluded that genetically induced hormonal imbalances during mensus was the sole cause of her erratic behaviour. Some women reading this post may be able to relate to that.
Posted by redneck, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 6:33:43 PM
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To Mr Scout.

I congratulate you on your perpacicity in admitting that genetics and criminal behaviour are linked.

I therefore find it amazing that your mind is so petrified in ideological amber that you can not see an obvious connection. If genetics is a factor in criminal behaviour, and if different races and ethnicities are so genetically different in appearance that most people can be identified by their race, and if several ethnic groups are notorious for their exceedingly high rates of serious criminal behaviour, then would it not be a reasonable assumption to conclude that some ethnicities are more prone to criminal behaviour than others?

I agree that I have no scientific evidence linking race to crime, but I have already stated that one opponent of this idea was bragging in his own book at their success of minority groups in shutting the scientific community up. I am in a very happy position. Time is on my side, because scientific data can only be suppressed with great difficulty. Sooner or later, my dear Mr Scout, you and your friends will be eating a very unpalatable piece of crow.

I agree that social conditions can have far greater bearing upon criminal behaviour, but I will not agree that economic conditions are very important at all. Your premise seems to be that poverty causes crime. It does not. I can give you numerous examples of very poor societies that are very law abiding. What does have a huge bearing on criminal behaviour is culture. And if any peaceful country is foolish enough to import unassimilatable people from hostile or violence approving cultures then that is a recipe for social disaster.

The unassimilatable minority group will simply keep their own culture, which the host country might find to be very objectionable. Black “musicians” in the USA are notorious for broadcasting “music” that endorses violent criminal behaviour, illegal drug abuse, disrespect and violence towards women, hatred of authority and hatred towards white people. Bearing in mind the totally dysfunctional black ghettoes in the USA, go figure why Americans coined the term “white flight.”
Posted by redneck, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 6:44:52 PM
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Racism is breed from ignorance.....
Posted by Sly, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 6:56:39 PM
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GrahamY,
No, I well aware of desert storm (in a tea cup).
But I'm also aware of Chairman Mao, Comrade Stalin,Pol Pot, Rwanda, The Turkish massacre of Armenians, Sudan,etc,etc,etc...
I think matched against such high calibre competition, the west would finish a poor second or third.

Sly,
“Racism is breed from ignorance.....”
Would it be possible that there could be two races (or two cultures) whose value systems/activities are so antagonistic. That their mere knowing/meeting each other would lead to mutual antipathy?

Must racism be always on ignorance -perhaps it sometimes results from standing in each others space?
Posted by Horus, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 8:44:15 PM
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redneck

"I can give you numerous examples of very poor societies that are very law abiding."

I would be interested to know of which societies you speak.
Posted by human interest, Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:39:10 AM
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