Proud to be Indonesian,
I often disagree with your opinions or the way you express them, which too extreme in my opinion, however sometimes you do make valid points.
Hypocrite IS the word. I read and read on the genocide of Aboriginal Australia, and speechless to read such a barbaric thing! It's million times worse than what has happened in Papua.
Indeed, we will never accept to be lectured by anyone with regard to human right, when we know what kind of atrocity they have committed.

We read in Australia media that about 100.000 to 300.000 Papuans were killed in Papua as the results of genocide. Australians seem to believe that. But look, even Herman Wanggai the spokeperson of the Papuan asylum seekers in Australia couldnt answer where the so-called 'genocide' actually took place.
It's undeniable that horrible killings actualy took place, committed by both sides, but genocide with such a large scale? It's a bold lie.

I am convinced now that many Australians indeed would be happy to see Indonesia disintegrated. Maybe they think Indonesia is like a cake, it can be sliced into -maybe 8 to 10 slices!
And all the fairy tale about Javanese as the core of Indonesia. Wow! As a non-Javanese Indonesian, I find the claim to be amusing & ridiculous, but they believe that! If you think of it, why then it's Lombok people who demand the central govt to close the Lombok Strait to Australian ships and other ships that serve Australian interest? And remember when we had a dispute with Malaysia over Ambalat, people from many provinces outside Java were so eager to have themselves registered as voluntary fighters if we were to have a war.
I believe that will also be the case with Austraila. Well, no war needed with Australia, and no "close-relations" needed either. I guess Australians would be more than happy to have ties cut with us, just as we would as well. We should protect our national interest from Oz threat!
If you wish to answer, please do so in not-so-extreme manner.

Well you’ve got me Ningtyas. What opinion am I expressing “based of half-truth information.”?

I have said that I am not in favour of the break-up of Indonesia nor necessarily in the independence of West Papua. I am only in favour of West Papuans having an unpressured opportunity to decide whether they want independence.

Thankyou for the brief history. But if things are as congenial between Indonesia and Papua as this suggests, and a high portion of Papuans are happy with it, then why does Indonesia seem terrified of the prospect of an unbiased referendum?

“You think referendum can be done in a peaceful way, where both sides will be able to live side by side, build their land together and live happily ever after. That's just a fairy tale.”

I could just as easily say; you think that a whole province, or a large portion of people within it, can live in harmony with the country that rules it, when they don’t wish to be ruled by it, and are aware that the 1969 referendum was rigged and that a fair referendum is being denied to them. That’s just a fairytale.

I say, hold the referendum. Make sure it is as fair as possible and condoned by the UN. Make sure that all people get the chance to vote, on the condition that they abide by the outcome. Those who will not abide by the result can forego their right have a say.

Then and only then will you have a firm basis for stability.

Why do you think a referendum would divide people into two irreconcilable blocks?

“But you don't care, right? As long as you see Indonesia breaking up, you don't care if so many people would suffer far worse than before.”

Now Ningtyas, this paragraph really is unfortunate, in an otherwise good post.

I appreciate your concern about East Timor. I was amazed when it became independent. However, I don’t think you can relate that situation to West Papua in more than a vague manner. The circumstances are very different.

@Mhoram:

LOL, Australian Navy cannot even prevent thousands of Indonesian boats from fishing in "Australian" waters and landing in Australian soil at will, yet you dream they'll be able to "control" Indonesian waters, the largest archipelago in the world with 20,000 islands stretching the distance of Ireland to Iran? What a joke. Your ships will easily be sunk one-by-one by our submarines should they dare entering our waters. Your planes cannot reach Indonesia from your faraway bases before being detected by our radars, to be easily shot down by our SAMs when they arrive. Our communication will be untouchable as we have our own nine satellites in orbit.

And yes, US soldiers collected teeth and sometimes the skull of dead Japanese soldiers during WWII. They also collect ears of dead VC soldiers during Vietnam War. We are trained for a long time by USA, hence our soldiers will competitively collect dead Diggers' ears should puny Australia dare to invade us. As for your plans to waste delicious porkchops, that would only drive our soldiers to kill more Diggers and collect more ears.

@Ludwig:

Indonesian unity and integrity is final and non-negotiable. This is not open to discussion. We've done a completely free and fair referendum in 1969, as acknowledged by two UN resolutions and by entire world community. No new referendum is necessary as neither the elected representatives of Papuan people from their regional Parliament nor our national government and legislative has asked for it. Even if a referendum is held, Indonesia's victory is assured as today more than half of Papuan population are transmigrants.

BTW, Indonesia do not need any "repression" to control West Papua. There are more soldiers posted in tiny Jakarta than in huge West Papua. Half of Papua's population are 100% loyal transmigrants, while native Papuans always show high participation rates in every Indonesian regional/national elections.

The tiny minority of barbaric Papuan terrorists are "toxic" racists unable to accept people from other races (as your minister Vanstone correctly analyse), akin to the barbaric Nazis who committed genocide on Jews. It is NOT violation of human rights to clamp down on these violent terrorists who murdered those who disagree with them. In fact, it is the obligation of all police and military forces in the world to eliminate these violent groups to protect the people.

For example, UK posts one-third of its army in tiny confines of Northern Ireland to force British rule over unwilling Irish Catholic population. India posts one million soldiers to maintain its rule over Kashmir. Thailand posts 40,000 soldiers in its tiny South to crush separatists there. In comparison with these countries, Papuan separatism is just a joke. No wonder it is unnecessary for Indonesia to post many soldiers in Papua.

OK, PTI thank you for enlightening me on the political side re-communism and the fighting in the Sukarno revolution, and more recently. I guess we only get half the picture here. I know our media is full of propaganda.

I am ashamed of the massacre of the aboriginal people in Australia's history. My grandfather was an interpreter who tried to stop the brutal ways they were killed. He witnessed the traditional "English Huntings" by the rich aristocrats in Western Victoria. (I can't even mention their names now, this is considered defamatory) They used basset hounds, horns and they were not hunting foxes. They hired help who were paid to hold down the aboriginal "game", and the master had the "hunter's privelege" to shoot, or arrow the "nigger's heart" in William Tell hunting style.

The dead were beheaded, and the heads were used as polo balls, in another sport for the wealthy gentlemen. It really was horrible, and my granfather was sickened by what he saw. He made a stand, and he was persecuted brutally as a traiter. He had an entire Government against him. They took his orchid, poisoned his water, and he was absolutely heartbroken, as a moral and religous man: died telling us to hand the stories down the generations. Our family has never recovered.

I am not affraid to talk about it either, and my family are sworn never to forget. I make no apology for being a humanitarian. I hope you understand that. If the UN recognises Irian Jaya, well, then Australia has no right to interfere there. Just like we have no right to interefere with Iraq. We cannot, by international law, invade any country that poses no threat to Australia. This is where John Howard and Tony Blair will end up in a war trial, yet to come. They signed the contract, and one day, they will have to face the music from the UN law courts. We are not above the law. And I don't think we are allowed to interfere.

Nigtyas,
Australians don't necessarily want to break off relations with Indonesia. Paradoxically, it's the Jakarta Lobby in DFAT that encourages anti-Indonesian feeling by trying to cover up Indonesian "oknum" (individual Indonesian criminal) acts against Australian citizens like the killing of the five journalists in 1975 at Balibo and refusing to assist Australians charged with crimes in Indonesia. Indonesians are right to feel betrayed over East Timor because the Jakarta Lobby told them that we loved having them occupy East Timor and then the next day we were sending troops in. DFAT and the Australian Government should be telling it the way it is in a diplomatically appropriate way just like Indonesia does to us - not covering up legitimate differences where they exist. For instance, the Australian media accurately gave an accurate depiction of the Indonesian judicial system during the Corby trial, but it was the Jakarta lobby do-gooders who came along and fabricated the lie that Corby supporters had send a toxic white powder to the Indonesian embassy. We should promote effective people to people ties and ignore our respective governments' lies.

If you can grasp what I'm saying, you will have progressed 50% in your understanding of Aust - Indon relations.