Horus: Still tossing and turning? Armenians, Gk Cypriots, Kurds? Anything to avoid the hot potato of Palestine. Turkey, Israel's ally in both the ME AND in denying responsibility for crimes against humanity, needs to own up to its historical responsibility for the Armenian Genocide and make amends where required. Armenians, however, unlike Palestinians have a state. Gk Cypriot refugees, like Palestinian refugees, have an absolute right in line with the UDHR to return to their original homes. At least, unlike the Palestinians, they're still in Cyprus and not under occupation. Kurds? There is no Kurdish state to be sure, but, unlike the Palestinians, they are still living in the areas they've always lived in. Still, I'm glad to see you've taken up the causes of these peoples, BUT, and I hate to tell you this lest it disturb your Islamophobic 'mind'set: the Kurds are actually - shock, horror - Muslims. Oh God, he's fainted!

Surely, then, if Horus is sticking up for the Kurds, then he/she is not an 'islamophobe'? Unjustified accusations of prejudice and stupidity don't aid your argument. They just make you seem like you have little to say and are diverting our attention to cover it up. Just when I was thinking your posts were actually quite reasonable, Strewth . . .

Strewth your lip-syncing of concern for the Armenians,GK Cypriots & Kurds was far from convincing.

Rather than a 'hot potato' the Palestinian CAUSE is your 'hobby horse'(And I emphasize cause –because your heart lies with the polemic rather than the people)

It suits a lot of interested parties to play the PRs for all they can get.-they don’t really want a solution.

Many PRs born & raised in neighboring countries don’t want to return to their former homes-their home is where they were raised. But the Arab countries they reside in will not help defuse the situation by granting citizenship:
-Jordan claims to have granted PRs “full citizenship” –but it does not include the right to settle permanently in Jordan (and those on the west bank face restrictions on access )
-In Lebanon they are denied citizenship
-Likewise Saudi Arabia

The principle that they must “avoid dissolution of their identity’ is more important than the day to day suffering of the people.It suits them to keep the pressure cooker boiling

-For Iran it buys acceptance in a Arab dominated Islamic club
-For Syria it buys a chance to fondle its coveted Lebanon ( & divert attention from their internal problems)
-For groups like Hamas it gets them position of power

And while hacks like you Strewth can do little that would be constructive –like a veracious hyena you prey on the situation- it affords you a chance to act pompous & swagger about as if you know more than you do. Without the PRs you'd have to find your jollies elsewhere-though I’m sure you could HANDle yourself well in that regard.
[And, oh yes-I did know the Kurds were Muslim]

Oto, Horus' Islamophobia is on display on another thread.
Horus, if as you assert, the Palestinian refugees don't want to return to their homes and lands in Israel AND, as you also assert, the Arab countries are intent on keeping them where they are to make political capital against Israel, then Israel, as a state which wishes to maintain a Jewish majority, has a wonderful, win-win situation on its hands. It can happily declare that it's prepared to allow the Palestinian refugees back, and so reap the resulting PR benefits of finally abiding by international law and implementing UN resolutions, confident in the knowledge that a) the refugees don't want to return, and b) their Arab brothers don't want them to return. In light of this golden opportunity to have its cake and eat it too, can Israel really afford to miss this opportunity?

I would surmise that if even a small percentage of PRs returned, combined with the number of Arabs already living inside Israel, their numbers would swamp the Jewish character of Israel. That
Of course would not be acceptable to the ruling class in Israel.
[There is already talk in some circles that the number of Arabs living inside Israel are reproducing at a rate that will make them a majority in the future]

Any country/culture which values its survival seeks to control it immigration-Israel is not alone in that regard.

Now you can argue the moral rights or wrongs of such a stand-but its reality, & short of war, it is not likely to change.

If you take the attitude that you’re going to insist that Israel adheres to all UN conventions etc -rub Israel’s nose in it- such and attitude is only likely to polarize opinion, and prolong the agony. Additionally, I suggest such a stand would be motivated more by one’s own internal idiosyncrasies that any real concern for the PRs.

I believe our aim should be to find the PRs a settled and viable state ASAP.A two state arrangement as annunciated by Oto & yourself.

Horus: "Swamping the Jewish character of Israel"/"the number of Arabs living in Israel are reproducing at a rate [of knots]". Persuade us that what we're dealing with here is not simply racism. How, for example, might a concen about the Jewish character of Israel differ from a concern say about the Aryan character of Nazi Germany or the white character of apartheid South Africa. How might a concern about "reproducing Arabs" differ from a Nazi German concern about "reproducing Jews"? And, on another matter, what part of "binational state" (my words) do you not understand?