Only ignorant and selfish people would vote for this current Howard Liberal Government after all the wrongs they have done. So go right ahead and vote for them. Your grand parents and kids will be so proud of your lack of morals.

Shonga and Sly, please do not despair. The Bellys'of the world are sent to try us. Belly please research this rumour. Shorten was being briefed by Beaconsfield PR group. The story goes that the Lawyers were worried about the liability and didnt want the owners speaking in the media. Answer,fly little Billy back on Platts private jet from his overseas study tour aka Junket to be the media spokesperson. Look forward to hearing from you brother belly, and i suspect comrades Scout, Sly and Shonga do too.

My post has been removed twice, by me I remain proud to be an AWU oficial liked and trusted by my members, and many more than 100 from other unions who asked to come on board.
Each got my pledge I would die rather than break quote I WILL NEVER LET YOU DOWN.
From the NSW Labor right I know that is our future path, it leads to long term reformist Labor goverment.
Unions? new ways new ideas are no threat combined with the incomeing Labor goverment IR reform will return workers rights ALL who work not just union members.
Reform may however threaten the more radical, and I not unlike, middle Australia am not threatened by this.
In time Bill Shorten may lead Australia, if so he will do so in the great open honest style that threatens some on the left.
How very funny, faulty towerslike, in fact, it is that this thread proves its authors point so well.
Come what may this child amung many who once thought of a red reverlution [please forgive ] knows Australians do not think in terms of class on election day but vote for trustworthy goverment.
And no attempt at taunting anyone, its my truely held view some in the left of my party not all, and union movement are as big a threat to workers rights and non conservative voters as John Howard
regards

Mad as a hatter.

The only thing worse then needing unions is not having them at all, only a fool would disagree with that.

Belly,
I am a 50 year old man of almost unlimited patience, however you have worn me down. If you are unable to see that the ALP has lost the last 3 federal elections because they do not present policies that middle and low income Australia have approved of, due to to hijacking of the ALP by your Australia's Weakest Union, and others of the "elitist" right wing, the I give up. If you can't recognise reality, then those of us here, Scout, hedgehog, Sly and myself, are simply wasting our time. The AWU brainwash has been so successful in your case you can't see the forest for the trees mate. Yes I love working people of low and middle incomes, the trouble starts when workers on $100,000 p.a. begin to see themselves as two bob tories.

The ALP needs to win the majority of workers, not these would be if they could be's. It is the votes of low and middle income Australia that the ALP should be trying to win, they are the overwhelming majority, it the ALP could win them, they would win an election, sadly the won't because as long as the ALP puts up millionaires and right wing AWU candidates, we will continue to lose. Whitlam's egalitarianism is the key, we won't have the key while we have loony right wing federal ALP's. Good luck mate, you really need it.