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Whatever happened to 'no compulsion in religion'? : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 28/3/2006

The Afghan government of Hamid Karzai caught out trying to revive the old Taliban legacy - charging Abdul Rahman with converting to Christianity.

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Good article Irfy

This'll shake OLO's "Allah Botherers" out of the woodwork again.

Their objections to this case of eventual moderation in a violent country (Afghanistan) will be strident.

Spooky Pete
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com/
Posted by plantagenet, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:05:08 AM
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Irfan, thanks once again for putting the POV of moderate Islam so well. As you might have seen elsewhere I had been bothered by the lack of visible objection to this from the moderate muslim community. You have spelt your objections out clearly and in a way that only the conspiracy theorists can ignore.

You won't convince those who see a fanatic with big sword (or explosive vest) behind every camel or beard but this stuff does help those who are willing to understand.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:42:19 AM
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Spooky pete seems to be pre-occupied by the "galantant" ignorance and prejudice one can never imagine. You're in a fallacious melody my friend. Let those who are learned lead the way or else you'll lead us a stray.

Galty
Posted by galty, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 11:01:08 AM
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The fact that conversion to Christianity from Islam is a “dobable” matter, taken seriously by the authorities, is enough proof that apostacy is a crime under Islamic law.

Irfan has failed to convince us that it is otherwise.

Maybe he is more interested in his own political propaganda or to reach that illusive double century postings on OLO.

So Muslims are NOT doing exactly the opposite of what their faith and values intended there was NO clear abuse of Sharia law there.

And BTW it did not take 16 years to work out one of their own had changed religions - the guy was by your admitance living abroad in a FREE country for 15 years.

David Hicks is a trator - not to have converted to islam but to have joined an Australian enemy militia that happens to be islamic.
Posted by coach, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 11:20:04 AM
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Ifran,

"The reality is our society pays enormous respect to minorities — President Bush holds a monthlong Ramadan-a-ding-dong at the White House every year; the immediate reaction to the slaughter of 9/11 by the president, the prince, the prime ministers of Britain, Canada and everywhere else was to visit a mosque to demonstrate their great respect for Islam. One party to this dispute is respectful to a fault: after all, to describe the violence perpetrated by Muslims over the Danish cartoons as the “recent ghastly strife” barely passes muster as effete Brit toff understatement.

Unfortunately, what’s “precious and sacred” to Islam is its institutional contempt for others. In his book Islam And The West, Bernard Lewis writes, “The primary duty of the Muslim as set forth not once but many times in the Koran is ‘to command good and forbid evil.’ It is not enough to do good and refrain from evil as a personal choice. It is incumbent upon Muslims also to command and forbid.”

Or as the shrewd Canadian columnist David Warren put it: “WE TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THAT IT IS WRONG TO KILL SOMEONE FOR HIS RELIGIOUS BELEIFS. WHEREAS ISLAM HOLDS IT IS WRONG NOT TO KILL HIM." In that sense, those blood-curdling imams are right, and Karzai’s attempts to finesse the issueare, sharia-wise, wrong.

I can understand why the president and the secretary of state would rather deal with this through back-channels, private assurances from their Afghan counterparts, etc. But the public rhetoric is critical, too. At some point we have to face down a culture in which not only the mob in the street but the highest judges and academics talk like crazies.

Rahman embodies the question at the heart of this struggle: If Islam is a religion one can only convert to not from, then in the long run it is a threat to every free person on the planet. What can we do?"

The page linked to below says it all - it is no longer proper or helpful to hold a Liberalist 'cultural tolerance' for a racist and intolerant Islam.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Posted by baraka, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:10:12 PM
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Islamic extremism is the problem here, it has nothing to do with Bush or Howard or depleted uranium. The war-on-terror coalition naturally had to place Afghans in charge of Afghanistan, if not they are accused of placing their own puppet regimes in foreign countries to futher their own goals, hell they are anyway. Now those Afghans are simply pursuing their old ways, ways which are a product of their interpretation of Islam.

Of course there will be a period of turmoil in Afghanistan, they have just come out from a decade plus of Taliban rule and have recently had the bejeezus bombed out of them, still I would have to imagine that even now the lot of the Afghanistan's has improved immensely.

The only egg I see is on the face of Islam, but Irfan has tried to twist the situation to suit his end. He should be thanking the West for cleaning up yet another of Islam's cess pools not trying to dishonestly connect them to it's existence.
Posted by HarryC, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:51:19 PM
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