“And as always, they (some Muslims) are doing exactly the opposite of what their faith and values intended.” Are they? Who are we supposed to believe? I have in front of me an article written by an Andrew G. Bostom. I know him as well as I know Irfun - not at all. Bostom writes: “Death for apostasy is part and parcel of Islamic scripture and tradition.”

The only reality in the Abdul Rhaman affair appears to be that he would have been topped by now had it not been for the West’s intervention with Karzai. There is really no point in non-Muslims trying to understand Muslims or getting involved in their many and varied interpretations of their faith. They seem confused about it; how can we expect to understand it or them.

Muslims have a medieval mindset that no one living today will see change

They grow drugs, they are terrible to women, it is not the religion it is the individual culture behind it.

It aint religion, it is the attitudes of these people, who are conditioned to think and act in a certain way, with Muslim values as a core.

Being Muslim is not the problem. An old dog cannot be taught new tricks. Especially one who has had the crazy history Afganistan has. How is he supposed to know the right way?

One thing is highlighted by this case, if Islam stops calling for the killing of those who abandon that faith, there will be an exodus of Muslims either to other faiths or to secularism. They don't want their numbers to dwindle, do they? This is their preventative measure.

Baraka I see you and your buddies have set up camp on this thread. I can expect the usual filthy racist comments, you seem to be attracted to any thread, that feeds your appetite , one of your buddies has a problem with cockatoos and galahs, is he going to blame the Muslims for sending the birds to attack his property, he is talking about blowing them to kingdom come,

This mango person still doesn't get it- it's religion, not a race. But then, I don't expect too much from islamofacists and their apologists when it comes to making a point.

Ifran's article seems a mish-mash of his political ideas as he attempts to draw conclusions from unrelated events especially his concept of injustice of links with the evil West.

He is like Queensland Joe who said it is a matter of feeding the turkeys grain so in the end we can cut off their heads. I do not believe Ifran has established a secure case for the UN or for us to believe Islam rejects the State killing for apostacy. He as a lawyer ought to be lobbying Islamic nations especially Afganistan and Parkistan who impose the death penalty for apostacy if he is for real. He can oppose it here where we abhor such punishments, but his name would be fatwa'd as an apostate if he spoke up in Muslim nations.