Where are you Alchemist? I thought you would have an answer by now? Still scraping throught those history books till you find a historian that holds your position that the Babylonians, Hittites and Greeks formulated secular laws without any consciousness of divine beings?

If you are doing some rethinking - welcome! I will leave you alone to meditate.

Atheism as a National World View is a recent phenomon introduced by dissaffected Jews and Catholics and has led to the establishment of some of this Worlds greatest despotic and genocidal Governments.

Philo,

Leave Catholics out of it....it's impossible to be a Catholic atheist.....the two are mutually exclusive....Atheism is a fruit of Protestantism.

Francis,
I was talking about a National system promoting Atheism not a Christian belief. Hitler was formerly a Catholic that abandoned his Faith in God, though earlier supported and blessed by Catholic Priests. No true believer in the teachings of Christ would murder millions of Jews, simply because they were Jews.

Jesus wept for his Jewish brothers, "O Jerusalem, O Jerusalem You who stoned the prophets how I would have gathered you as a hen gathers her chickens." Well I might be mistaken. Perhaps Catholics could commit genocide with a faith that such action is sanctioned by God? Perhaps you could enlighten us.

Philo, I said that the Hittite laws didn't contain reference to gods, not the leaders or societies were godless. The Hammurabi Code was all about destroying people and ruling over the blacks of the world, nothing to brag about. Just shows the more you include god, the more you have death and destruction.

As someone else said, we've spent the last 50 years trying to remove religious influence from our laws, as they have shown they are violent, restrictive and discriminative.

When you consider the growing archaeological evidence disputing religious claims, any wonder debating with those on merry go rounds becomes boring.

Recently we've had the discovery of more evidence proving biblical and Koranic history to be false, plagiarised and steeped in violence and destruction. Joshua and jehrico have been disproved, Judas disproves the fallacies of the nt. The book of Mary, the nag hamadi, Simon, the Veda, Egyptian writings. Most documents run contrary to biblical text.

Recent genetic testing has shown that jew, Arab and Christians all carry cannonite blood. Proving that they all come out of the same box, Pandora's.

Consider the demands of monotheistics to pray constantly for help and guidance, yet the factual results of what the prayers received, shows a false and despotic belief system thats only aim is destruction, suppression and control

The “Integris Baptist medical center in Oklahoma city", did a study of 1800 patients to see the the effects of prayer on heart surgery patients. It found that those that were being prayed for, had more medical complications than those that weren't prayed for. If you look around the world and added up the amount of prayers, compared to the amount of positive answers, you have all the facts you need. You can see how effective prayer is in attaining the goals of monotheists. Its working very well, killing people, complicating their health, giving them false hope and doing nothing positive for anyone.

The Alchemist....what's "cannonite" blood? Who are/ were the "cannonites".....I think you're barking up the wrong tree mate as you are with your ridiculous claims re "Judas etc..." and archaeological evidence disproving the NT. More like wishful thinking on your part. Sounds like you've read something about the "Gospel of Judas" and put two and two together and come up with 17. Better luck next time. But, PLEASE, who are/were the "cannonites"? Re "prayer" any fool can trot out "research", experiments etc to "prove" his/her point one way or the other. Not very scientific on your part.

Alchemist , you are spot on about praying to God, it is a waste of time, the praying to God package, is a result of praying and begging for ones life prostrated in front of a earthly King, and suggests God acts like an earthly King. praying is begging, a cap in hand front up.

Earthlings = cannonites

The cannonites escape from slavery in Egypt.
Uncle Tom Cobbly and all = cannites,
to form Christians and Jews,
Jewish slaves and the Jewish chosen ones = cannonites,
Jews ,Arabs and Christians = cannonites,

Jewish slaves/Arab slaves were not allowed to worship at religious gatherings so they started their own religion Islam, so who is responsible for all the hatred, it all happened because someone said , Sorry Mate you are not allowed to worship our God, we are the only ones chosen by God , so piss of out of here find another God to pray to, sorry , but you have to wonder who the hangmen really are,

Everyone that writes on this site are cannonites, mangotreeone