I still say resign, you have rolled over and adopted the downward envy and distructive rhetoric of the conservatives who demonise and put every welfare recipient in one basket.

What are your New Labor welfare -to- Work policies Belly?

Answer: You don't have any. Instead you just borrow this old neo-con line about "dole bludgers" and try to dress it up as a working class virtue. It is not.

When you do finally get around to developing some policies of substance you might have to do some research into those who you call welfare bludgers and be shocked to find they are people connected to your own union. Blaming the victims of economic rationism remains youre framework for your conception of poverty, and a misguided justification for your bias against the poor.

Ask your members what they think about your bias Belly. They will be more than happy to tell where to go.

Rainier you would not wish to hear what any unions members think.
And you draw your opinions about me by viewing the world only as you wish to see it!
In the mid 1950,s dole was harder to get than charity and at times my familly needed both to just live.
In the 1960,s it was easyer but the people paid to handle it spoke to those in need in dreadfull ways.
Dureing the late 1970,s those of us who dropped in for a beer on the way home from work often heard with awe and respect the storeys of those who both worked and got the dole.
Now I know famillys who have 7 kids 2 4x4s and one car! all on the dole [ fact not fiction this grubby union oficial bought christmas one year for those kids after dad drank the dole check]
I could take you in one hour to another family or any of the nine sub groups of it, who have zero who work amung them.
Oh sorry not true! each works in a black market way! one cell rebuilds cars for cash and big cash at that!
Labor has much room to rebuild social wealfare, if they remove the people who use it wrongly we could see a true liveing wage for those in need.
If true value true paid true work for the dole, my prefered option if I ever needed it, was in place it would show up Howards evil scheme for what it is.
Do not confer sainthood on the poor, I am a true activist and get real full time jobs and even training for people in need, but some avoid work like an illness.
You remind me of why I left the left!an ALP goverment will and must reform wealfare.

Haveing made up my mind that this is my last visit to this thread, constant insults towards me ,my faction, and my union, strange mostly from the greens? makes it unwise to continue.
Questions and some answers,some views too need looking at.
Why is it the greens so freely involve themselves in ALP policys?
Appart from preferences most Labor voters, yes not all are uninterested in them.
A view shared by most Australians.
Factions, well we would not be the ALP without them, and I mostly find them as the author does, part of the reason we hold power in all states and will again do so federaly.
My proud union! like all unions we missed the issue of halos, but we are not radical, some say weak? not however our members!.
That internal warfare within the ALP and its factions often blows out into the union movement, why? mostly its about convinceing members to switch from one union to another truth is always a victim.
Some true leaders one day will come along and see the union movement should remember why they exist, and its not factional fighting.
And my ALP NSW right faction, folks we are the ALP not greens not anything else the Australian Labor Party, our task is to govern, and to do so well, for ALL Australians.
If my faction is so evil, so wrong, why are our numbers so much more?
Who last governed in Australia from the left?

Without the ALP and the unions workers have nothing thats the facts.
Howard voters thanks for nothing. Howard is Destroying Australia.
Belly your a good fellow seeya mate.

So as its not worth the effort to continue posting in a thread that insults the ALP and at times says the answer is to cut out the bigest faction, the most sucsessfull faction, I have my final say.
Do not live in islolation from the voters, my life is every day right at the lunch tables with them.
They told me we faced distruction last time, no one listened, they want change now but lack faith the party doe,s yes they await leadership change and say without it we are done for.
They are not some ledgenary workers united, do not wait for street marchs they will not come in numbers big enought to matter.
They are not left leaning and hate political corectness.
They want to vote Labor, but not for its leader, they want more action from Labor on workchoices and are unconvinced that we think we can win this election.
And not very deep down inside in fact right on the surface I question the partys plan, Kim Beazley once said he would not run a last minute policys election, has he forgotten already?
I leave the forum to those who seem oposed to Labor governing Australia, but rest assured my vote belongs to them alone
My union my party my faction my hopes for Australia all depend on the ALP.

Right wing workers? Arrh.. now I get it! All for one and all for one.
Greed and fear, Howard's hillsong of workers.