Ah you had to have the last word! and so you shall, this must be my last post in this thread, its as close as I wish to get to the Greens.
Workers are people, some earn $90.000 a year own two homes a pair of cars one is changed every 3 years and shares!ever seen a smelter workers payslip?
Some have holes in the backside of pants they continue to wear ,rent houses, drive $200 cars and hand out conservatives HTV,s on election day.
Now some unlike me and you, accualy swing from one party to the other at voteing time.
Those who left our side of the fence to swing with John Howard will not return because they are WORKERS!
Right wing ALP? surely you want us to govern? looney lefts chances are nil!
Tony Blair turned around a Thatcherite England we , given new leadership can too!
Without it?without the bigest faction in the ALP? come now!
It is my honestly held view the extreme left harms the non conservative vote often.

I do share with you a deep loathing of the lunatic Left belly, being Indigenous I know their destructive presense in Indigenous affairs all too well. But you will should understand that whilst Blair tossed out the Thatcherite Right Wing, his 'third way' - anti ideological wishy washy standpoint is on the wane.

Fence sitting might feel good for a while. But the Rights of workers,the Rights of the Poor should not be given to people like Shorten and others to negotiate and play with on their theoretically corrupt spinning wheels. They are not grounded, they will neve be.
They live in perpetual orbit of thier neo-con ideas of themselves.

John Howard disgusts me, this current government is basicly being run by big business. Howard is a lying evil man and having control of the senate has shown his true colours.