little agreeablebuddy writes,"The populace trusted the government to 'lead' them into a 'new' supposedly anti discriminative realm."
On the contrary, the populace was given no choice whether it wanted multi culture or not.
And it was the populace who were discriminated on by the politically correct 'thought police'who bludgeoned us with the tags,"racist", "bigot" if we dared complain.
The minorities were fawned upon while the Australians were literally beaten back , it reminded me of the times when I saw the Aussie youth being beaten with police batons during the Cronulla riots.
Now the tide is turning and hopefully [pigs will fly] someone will be made to pay for the offence given to Australians over this wretched multi culture. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Hi all

MikeM (post 4:04:41 PM 11/3/06)

One might concede that the practitioners of any religion don't necessarily interpret text correctly - nor do they comply with it.

HOWEVER, there's a big difference between the Holy Bible not calling its readers to violence against disbelievers, & the reality that the Qur'an does against infidels - more than 61-times (I can quote the Surah & Ayah).
(16/3/06)

bigmal (post 9:57:45 PM 11/3/06)

Additional to my other comments: Yes, indeed we have much to learn from Malaysia. A very worrying example!
(16/3/06)

BOAZ_David (post 5:10:27 PM 13/3/06)

"Strewth"?

I didn't notice any post on the "Sharing the .." posting by such an individual. Am I missing something here?
(14/3/06)

Irfan (post 5:35:50 PM 13/3/06)

I don't know that Benjamin could substantiate a 100% xenophobia. I don't know that he's trying to. But the proportion may nonetheless be high.

I've even witnessed intimidation at supposed 'peaceful' interfaith meetings. An 'alleged' threat by Muslim Farouk ALFRAKHANI is but one example.

What was done to Australia's indigenous people pre-1970s was shameful. But much of that iniquity has been resolved - acknowledging there's more to be done. However, we are discussing Islam & Sharia law, & their effect upon Australia - NOT indigenous affairs.

As the fastest-growing religion, Islam can be viewed on many frontiers. In nearly all of them it's proving to be hostile to its host. That's the reality. That's what we must resolve.

Sadly for Islam, historically, there's almost no other foundational spiritual leader who has used violence to install a religion. Muhammed alone is infamous for his killings & subjugations. His followers have often emulated him. ...

...(t.b.c.)

Cheers all

to Irfan (cont)

If you're going to continue to gain respect from more than the likes of George NEGAS, Rev Dr James HAIRE & Rev Bill CREWS, then you'll need to continue acknowledging & hi-liting the injustices done by your faith, & to speak in opposition against those passages of your Islamic text which promote violence. Such verses are abundant.

George NEGAS thinks, as an 'expert' in Islamic affairs, that there are only "57-virgins in paradise" - quoted Mornings with KAK 10/5/04. Many know the 'promise' is for 72-virgins.

James HAIRE needs to re-study historical events - especially the Muslim conquests, including Omar's defeat of Heraclius on the Yarmuk (636AD).

Bill CREWS? I won't make much comment. Great in charity work! Theologically? Doesn't know his Scriptures.

You, Keysar TRAD, & a handful of more 'moderate' Muslims, are the only potential for harmony between Islam & non-Muslims. Your voices will need to permanently resonate real truth - not just Islamic truth.

As a conservative, I object to any link towards Nazism. I'm opposed to racial discrimination. Your saving grace is that you actually said "pseudo-conservatives".
(14/3/06)

CARNIFEX (post 6:13:15 PM 13/3/06)

Muslim apologists do the same thing.

Rev Dr James HAIRE said on 10/5/04 that, & I quote: ".. Christians & Muslims for the first 600-years - in many parts of the world - lived in absolute peace." He further quoted as an example, Malaysia, which, he ought to know, has only been Islamic over recent centuries. He also ignored the reality that Muslims started more than 120 wars within Islam's first 118-years. Peace? Peaceful?
(14/3/06)

Sebby259 (post 6:47:18 PM 13/3/06)

I don't think that we should ignore Irfan. He might deny certain comments from the Qur'an & Hadith - condoning lying & seeking to kill the "kafir". However, he is at least making some concessions.

Our alternatives to dialogue & understanding might be, to:
(i) continue to fight & war;
(ii) deport all Muslims.

There's little point in discussion with Sheikh Faiz Mohamed. Greater hope may rested with the younger generation - like ANMA member, Diaa Mohamed.
(14/3/06)

Cheers all

Keep going, all you racist pseudo-Christian and pseudo-Australian fruitcakes out there! Only 30 posts left before I reach another century!!

Irfan "Keep going, all you racist pseudo-Christian and pseudo-Australian fruitcakes out there! Only 30 posts left before I reach another century!! "

Any one can be contentious and find 100 proponents and protagonists to post on an article.

I always believed it was the quality of the views expressed which made a thread worth reading, not simply the number of posts.

It is a rare sort of imbicile who thinks merit can be drawn from achieving a "century".

Just remember, it was all those "racist pseudo-Christian, pseudo-fruitcakes" who allowed you entry to Australia.

I am not sure from where you originate but, from your complexion and name, I guess it was not a predominantly Anglo-Saxon / Christian country.

So why would a person of such discretion, distinction, with so much to offer and with so many opportunities and options to choose from, as you obviously believe you have,

why would you choose to live among a bunch of "racist pseudo-Christian, pseudo-fruitcakes"?

I remain proud to have been accepted as a migrant into Australia. I would never ever suggest the country who adopted me was, as a generality, full of "racist pseudo-Christian and pseudo-Australian fruitcakes".

Although, from observing the practices of some migrant individuals from sunnier climbs than I, alot seem to have a problem understanding Australian culture and Australian ways.

An old European saying, "When in Rome. Do as the Romans Do"

Basically translated, when we go somewhere else to live, long or short term, respect the ways and practices of the place we are visiting or moving to.

Why? - because, as the untried, untested and unknown new-boy, you need the people already there more than they will ever need you.

In conclusion, I paraphrase what Peter Costello rightly said,

"If you feel you would be better suited to a system of Sharia law, then go live in Iran." -

because, to use your very own words,

we "racist pseudo-Christian, pseudo-fruitcakes" do not want Sharia and do not need Sharia here.

What a pity it is that we can’t have a sensible dialogue with Irfan?
He is so defensive that it is impossible to talk to him.
In fact, far from having another thirty posts to go to reach the century, there is a strong possibility that this thread is just about over, according to “Godwin’s Law”. (otherwise known as Godwin’s rule of Nazi analogies)

There was an article in the SMH today about the Dutch putting together a 2 hour long film in DVD format for the benefit of potential Muslim immigrants to the Netherlands, letting them know exactly what sort of society they were coming to, so that they could then make the choice not to come.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/03/16/1142098602916.html

I feel this would be an excellent idea for Australia, and every potential immigrant should be obliged to watch it at their nearest Australian Embassy or Consulate while they are making their application for a Visa.

They should also sign a declaration at the completion of the viewing, that they are now perfectly well aware of what they will come up against in Australia, and that they are happy to go to Australia in spite of it. A further declaration should be signed, that if they become too offended and feel the urge to change Australia rather than themselves, they will leave of their own accord or be deported.

Of course, this will not help us for those Muslims that are already here, or born here, but maybe we could give those people an incentive bonus to leave and go back to the Middle East or wherever their ancestry lies, where they are likely to be much happier, being less confronted with all the “evils” of our society.

The happiness quotient would then be raised for all parties involved.

Problem being, would those countries accept them?

Of course, as has been proven for many years now, Australians would welcome those that decided to fit in, rather than try to make Australia fit them.