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That to me is AS BAD AS VOTING LIBERAL IN THE UPPER HOUSE. So I chose NOT TO VOTE FOR EITHER, is this too hard for you to comprehend? I DID NOT GIVE LIBERAL POWER IN THE UPPER HOUSE NOR LABOUR. Your outlandish comments about independants possibly campainging to legalise heroin are intentionally contraversial (as you feel this would futher illustrate your point) and a ridiculous exageration of the truth. I think you need to deal with the fact that you don't know everything and that your opinion is just that, your opinon. You also need to stop regurgitating what youve learnt in class and get out there a little more and experience things. You feel as though a vote for greens is the only way to proove your anti war. That is an incredibly narrow minded point of view, but oh well it's your opinion and I respect that though I DONT agree.

I didn't vote for LIBERAL in either house. You need to accept this and realise that your really barking up the wrong tree, I am not pro war...yawn...move on?

My comments about sponsoring a child or making a real difference are far from stupid. Personally you sit here and say im in-compasionate about human lives at least I am trying to save the life of someone far less fortunate than myself. At least I am doing something. What are you doing? It's also quite funny how you seem to protest so much about this war as its a current issue that plauges the media, yet you make no mention of all the suffering that happens on a daily basis in third world countries. Its funny how you dont argue that one to much or make much of a mention of it when its far worse than the war.

And no its not the topic of debate on this forum, yet im willing to bet in general you preach that far less than you do NO WAR, would I be right in saying that? let me guess another "typical presumption...good one"

Welcome to the Aziliz and Kish show.......

Soon presenting the next chapter of the next enthralling chapter of mishmash of accusation and counter accusation of who is more warlike and pro whatever....

And here was dumb little me thinking that the skirmishes on "Big Slather" was so over the top and boorish ......

Where can I go now?

Kish, you should go learn how to debate. Making up this little fairy tale about how I am some young undergrad with no experience of the real world is your own little fantasy. There is a name for this. It is called strawmanning. It means that you set up a little fantasy to attack and then place your effort into tearing your imaginary 'strawman' to pieces. Your description of me has absolutely nothing to do with me.

You can say I say you don't answer my questions as though that is an insult, but the reality is you don't. You still have not stated the policies of the independents you voted for. Independents are precisely that. They are individuals that vote anyway they choose. You should never vote for an independent unless you know their policies. Anything less is the height of stupidity. You may be surprised if you checked the policies of all independents to find out what they really stand for.

You also know well that for your vote to count in either the upper or the lower house you must indicate a position for all candidates (even if you chose to allow these preferences to be chosen for you by your main party choice). In the lower house the first vote may simply be a statement of your political beliefs while if your first preference wasn't for one of the major parties then your alternate preferences decide the person who wins the seat. You cannot simply vote independent you must distribute your preferences. You have made it abundantly clear that your preference is for Liberal over Labour, Greens or Democrats. So your insistence that you 'voted' independent as though you could possibly vote for solely one postion is untrue. You could leave the other positions blank thereby voiding your vote but then you voted for noone. We both know that. So you are actually lying in order to make yourself look as though you are taking a position which is simply impossible.

You are the one who twists and turns, who refuses to answer straightforward questions, battles against imaginary arguments, pretends you have voted in a way that is simply impossible and descends to making the majority of your response just personally insulting someone for things that they actually haven't done and for being someone that they simply aren't.

Yes you are getting totally off the point over the charity argument. I don't see for half a minute why you supporting one third world child makes it okay to vote for a party that kills multiple (tens of thousands) children and adults. Helping only one is very puny in comparison.

I didn't answer you on this point the first time as I am not really interested in getting into a boasting competition about who has done the most for charity, but as you insist this is important to you, then yes-if that is the only thing you do for charity then I am doing a lot more than you are.

Once again you make assumptions and you deflect from the argument either because you know what I am saying is true but think if you shout enough that maybe you can convince yourself that I am not or because your brain has a tendency to wander around off the point and has difficulty grasping reality. If you cannot be logical or honest then there is no point talking to you.

Sorry Kekenidika you will have to go back to big brother after this. Kish, I am not going to talk to you anymore because your arguments illogical, irrational, unreasonable and circular and I am simply wasting time that could better be spent elsewhere.

Righto Aziliz & Kish: Say sorry to each other, pick up your toys have a cup of cocoa and go to beddy-bies. numbat

Aziliz,

hahahaha your a funny little one. I think you have quite clearly demonstrated with your last post that you have never ever voted before. "You also know well that for your vote to count in either the upper or the lower house you must indicate a position for all candidates". This alone suggests that you have never voted before or you clearly dont understand the electral ballot papers (both lower and upper). I refer you to the AEC website so that you can learn how to vote.

http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/What/voting/voting-senate.htm#complete

In particular, this line:

"1. Above the Line:

Voters may vote for a political party or group by putting the number ‘1’ in one box only above the black line. The rest of the ballot paper is left blank." So yes I can just vote for a independant in the senate and nothing else, I just place a 1 in the box which refers to the independant I desire. Thats the upper house covered.

Now lets go to the lower house: http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/What/voting/voting-hor.htm#2

"Informal votes
An informal ballot paper is one that has been incorrectly completed or not filled in at all. Informal votes are not counted towards any candidate but are set aside.

A House of Representatives ballot paper is informal if:

- it is unmarked
- etc, etc (dont want to waste words describing the other 6 methods)"

Now read this little one and try to understand for the 10th time:

I DID NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE IN THE LOWER HOUSE, I PLACED AN INVALID VOTE (INFORMAL) BY HANDING IN AN EMPTY BALLOT SHEET.

So effectivly accoring to the AEC website my vote in the lower house did NOT GO TO ANY PARTY...thats right it DID NOT go to liberal like you still keep tryign to suggest. Now let me quote my first post where i stated this so you dont suggest im just making this up to suit my argument "So producing an Invalid vote is my way of protesting" - June 21st