Back to the thread ,it is very well done while truth is on display as it is here hope still exists that we can aviod war.
Not a lot but hope still.

David Latimer

My views are at odds with lack of common sense and foresight.
The views I'm expressing are held by most Aussies, including the government, (even my belief in God ..69%) though some would unlikely express them openly due to their sensitivity.

Our actions in E/Timor and Cambodia are to be applauded, but not because of the UN, more because we 'did' them. I'll concede that the UN does provide a forum for managing such things, but if you observe closely, if such action impinges on the perceived vested interest of a member of the 'security' (cough) council, it will be vetoed. So, my point is... the UN is only useful to the extent that it does not tread on 'toes' of those who run it.

Can you imagine the resolution on E/Timor's self determination referendum getting up if Indonesia was on the security council ? So, like it or not, the UN was, is and will continue to be a tool by which the 'winners' of the last World War to further their own interests.

OIL, DEALS and our FREEDOM.
In the same way that minority parties like the Greenazi's and Demofascists seek to impose their warped (in some cases)views on the rest of us due to 'balance of power', watch out for Oil rich nations to use their power to influence our freedom of speech and many other aspects to our legal and social system.
Just like I now have to pay $90.00 /45kg of gas, instead of $70.00 2 months ago, because China bought so much at 3c a litre, WE now have to SUBsidise it.

NO 'HOST' ?
David.. you are flying your 'international socialist' credentials rather high mate. Next you will be telling us 'no borders' and 'no race' (or 'culture' if you prefer) and of course "All religions lead to God".... etc. Well, not only do I disagree, I also think you are factually incorrect. There is a 'we' and we are the 'host'. Other posts refer to Australian heritage and identity.

David_Latimer. Picture this (as it happened).

The Keystone
Palo Ato
Feb 17 1986

Peligro, East Bay Ray, Klaus Flouride are playing a slow version of MICKEY MOUSE. Jello Biafra comes on stage dressed as right-wing, moral majority, Christian lodge type person.

Following is his diatribe (sermon). "How many of you were at the Stone in San Francisco last night.
You'll know that the police came down early and sent you all home waving clubs to make sure your tale stayed between your legs. (remember the voice is that of a moral majority -parenthesis rancitas')

"It's all part of our plan to clean up this town, clean up this area and wipe away all that devil music.

MICKEY MOUSE still playing slowly (army march song at time).

"McCarthy is alive and well in our church and we're going to take our sewing needles from God and split your lips again and again and again until your mouth is sewn shut.

"And then we'll start on your eyes.

"And then your ears.

"And then everybody will be happy and God fearing.

"The quieter you are, the stupider you are, the happier we will be.

"So praise the Lord.

"And pass the prize to the police.

"We are gathered here tonight to pay tribute to our Lord

"And send money to meee.

"Oh Lord in heaven let us pray.

"You TV viewers.

"I got your pay!

"And especially people like you who are going to go right on Seig Howdieing and singing along.

"M !
"I !
"C !
"K !
"E !
"Y !

"M !
"O !
"U !
"S !
"E !

"Mickey Mouse".

Song starts. Real fast - real loud. Bit of DK context there for you all. Jello and the Melvins are even better.. (punk attitude)

Ran, have you totally flipped your lid? - What was that all about?

hell yeah rancitas.

something else to go on

JERUSALEM—In a surprise announcement with far-reaching theological implications, Jesus Christ The Nazarene, founder of Christianity and spiritual leader of nearly two billion people, revealed Monday that He has converted to "the one true religion" of Islam.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29540

Rancitas, saveur rance. - Quod venditor teneatur exprimere emptoribus amaritudinem vel rancitatem seu antiquitatem et statum dicti olei,