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Muslim tolerance put to the test : Comments

By Bashir Goth, published 24/2/2006

Islam is insulted everyday by Muslims themselves.

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"*To Muslims, Islam is the religion of peace and reason. *

agreed. Key words "To Muslims".

Others may disagree."

Good one. That about nails for me. NO means NO. Saying "NO" is a fundimental right of modern civilisation, one we are taught in preschool.

islamists love their religion, i don't.
Posted by meredith, Friday, 24 February 2006 3:39:26 PM
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Bashir, I agree with the other sensible posters on this thread. In my opinion you have written a number of very sensible articles, it's a great pity that monotheistic religions express the opposite of what they preach as a group. I wonder why that is.

As for the metronome mob, coach and BD, you can expect nothing more. Like most religious, it is their fear that drives them, not faith. They can't see past their bigoted narrow fearful perspective, if they could along with the rest of the religious world, they may actually find that the sensible reasoning ones of the world may well admire their beleifs. As does anyone that sees a good positive example of a persons beliefs in action.

I have only 1 muslims friend who refuses to associate with most other muslims, never enters a mosque, believing it to be an unholy place and believes his faith is a very personal and private thing, as does my learned Christan friends.

Sadly Bashir you are in a minority within monotheistic faith as 99% are in denial. Good luck to you and may your faith hold you true to your word.
Posted by The alchemist, Friday, 24 February 2006 4:42:28 PM
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I can not fault Bashir's post. I think that he is genuine in his desire to find an accomodation between Islam and Western values, which is more than I can say about Irfan. I am convinced that Irfan is just a polished apologist for Islam who somply repeats soothing platitudes that appeal to the SneakyPeter's of this world. He definitely lost his cool in his last article and let his true feelings towards those dreadful eeenfidels show.

Onya Bashir. I hope that your co religionists don't now murder you for having the guts to say what needed to be said. Islam must change to become relevant in the modern world. Unless it can critically examine it's own values in the light of changing times , then it's followers will not only remain (as Pakistani President Mushareff once said), "the poorest, most illiterate and sickest" members of any contemporary civilisation, but they will be the most distrusted and despised.
Posted by redneck, Friday, 24 February 2006 4:49:22 PM
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There is a moderate Muslim MAN, to paraphrase Napoleon in reference to GOETHE. The writer of this piece has his lineage going back to the greatest rational irreligious thinkers of Islam, Avicenna, Averroes, and Omar Khayyam.

One can justly say that he is the embodiment Of Muslim moderation. And his clear contrast, exposes all the double-talkers and pretenders who pose as moderates, such as Irfan and Fellow Human, but who really are fundamentalists, in their thinking, in moderate clothing.

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Posted by Themistocles, Friday, 24 February 2006 5:46:38 PM
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Muslims need to direct their anger at the Muslims responsible for associating violence with their peaceful religion. Is it really a surprise to see such cartoons? You can find them at my web site, at http://www.obber.com, along with a short documentary I put together about it. Things will never get better for Muslims if they do not stand up and fight the real insult, terror.
Posted by stncrtsw, Friday, 24 February 2006 6:11:18 PM
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Excellent article, although I would disagree with your interpretations of history, as I doubt all the places Islam conquered, with subsequent treatment of non-Muslims well, pretty much the same as Muslim nations treat Christians today, being savage.

A good start though, the details can be smoothed over later. You're on the right track, but for every non-Muslim that reads your article, you need to show a thousand Muslims.

After all, it is your own community that need to see what you see, that the west isn't the enemy, it's simply the future.

All in all, good. Sadly, apart from one other Muslim who writes here, the Bangladeshi Doctor who occassionally writes (forget his name) you are the only one on track.

Congratulations.

However, where do you stand on the Sharia? Are you against the barbaric aspects of it relating to the killing of homosexuals, apostates, etc ?
Posted by Matthew S, Friday, 24 February 2006 6:20:50 PM
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