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Pregnancy support services across the country are non-denominational, non-sectarian. They offer post-abortion counseling services and support for pregnant women and mothers.

Philo, your own work experiences clearly indicate the difficult decisions, when responsibly dealt with,can be overcome and turned around…benefiting all involved.

How is it none of the anti-lifers seem willing or capable of putting yourselves out to support (other than with invective and bile) the women most involved in this issue?

Perhaps because with no belief in Heaven, they’ve no time for consideration of others…’eat, drink and be merry…’. Sad, isn’t it?

Reason – you’re way off the mark re: Philo. If he helps families resolve problems using ‘his kind of Christianity’, they’re likely to seek it out for themselves, especially if it’s re-united their family.

Yabby, re: Osama Bin Laden…both of you support separating the heads of live humans from their bodies…pro-lifers don’t sacrifice lives of innocents, anti-lifers do. So does Osama and his terrorists.

Check your terminology and excuses for killing – are they written from the same script? Neither of you likes Catholics or Christian religions either.

Col: ‘Your opinion not worth a hoot.’

…but your’s is?

‘…support, reinforcement of their self esteem and unconditional love…’

I see none in yours.

Who’s yabbering on about monkeys for no good reason? What’s that about bonobos and chimps, Yabby?

As for ‘a piece of steel’ being a ‘potential car’…apart from being inanimate, it can potentially be many things. A conceived human life remains a human life with potential…get the difference?

Moni, I am unaware of your previous post, but

1. Abortion is not legal in Australia

2. RU486 is not approved for use in Australia and comments from the drug companies indicate they are unlikely to import due to ‘risks’ associated

3. Philo, like others, has posted relevant comments - I support his right to do so.

Jesus Christ defended the innocent unborn too and was crucified for his efforts...not a lot has changed in 2000 years, has it?

Meg, as usual your religious dogma prevents you from clear thinking, but then that is to be expected from you. At some point you have to accept natural law, ie. that far more individuals of any species will be created then can ever survive, due to lack of resources. When the ecosystem can’t sustainably provide those resources anymore, that ecosystem will eventually collapse, taking that species with it. But as that’s all far too complex for you to get your mind around, we’ll stick to simpler issues.

Firstly bonobos and chimps are primates, not monkeys. With your knowledge of biology, you clearly don’t know the difference. Humans are primates too btw.

Secondly you don’t have a clue as to what those of us who post on here do
or don’t do for others. You just brag loudly about it, others of us come on here to debate, not to brag. So its arrogant and stupid of you to make those claims. Most services in Aus are actually financed by taxpayers, who generally spend 40% of their time working to pay tax. Govts spend 40% of GDP. Get it?

Sad isn’t it, that you only do good for others because you believe in heaven.

A piece of steel has potential Meg. Dividing cells and organisms are just that,
they are not people. You are free to become emotionally engulfed by cells,
but don’t expect the rest of us to be quite so irrational. Life is not limited by
the amount of cells around, its limited by the resources around. The Vatican
is free to sell its billions in assets to feed those starving babies, if they really cares about them.

Meg,
Your one premises for all this is that there is a universal truth and that this give you the knowledge to act as you do.

Can you please provide me evidence of this universal truth? Contrary to your beliefs of me (unsubstantiated as they are) I am open-minded and am willing to consider anything you may have to say, to further my own knowledge. So, please feel free to assist me.

Until we sort this out, there is no point in discussing anything else.

Yabby, re: Natrual Law…why is it you can’t accept natural law for your chimp friends?

...just for human babies.

However, there’s nothing natural about abortion…rather unnatural for any species to contemplate, let alone perpetrate.

I did not suggest monkeys were chimps or bonobos,. You criticized Philo for making a comment on monkeys: ‘You then jabber on about monkeys for some reason, no good reason.’

A lot like the pot calling the kettle black, I should think…

You repeatedly raise chimps and bonobos and their dna, blah, blah, blah…but can’t cope with anyone else’s comments.

RE: ‘bragging’, no Yabby, you asked, I answered…and without any bragging involved. You have yet to indicate anything other than pressuring women to abort to save your evolving relatives – convoluted reasoning there.

As I have stated before, I am happy to ‘do good for others’ – that is it’s own reward - and the promise of Heaven is on offer to all…not just me. Go for it, Yabby, don’t sit and whine.

RE: Universal Truth – Again, I repeat TRUTH itself IS UNIVERSAL. If something is true, then it doesn’t matter if you accept it or not…it IS, irrespective of your beliefs or anyone elses.

Reason I suggest you re-read my posts and get to a point where you can see truth as desirable at all…you seem to have difficulty absorbing much at all or don’t see the need for repeating truthfully.

Until then, your previous promise to ‘ignore me’ is fine by me.

Thank you Meg.

So, what is the universal truth, as you see it, regarding this matter?

Reason, while 'ignorance is bliss'for you - I suggest that you re-read my posts before your feet disappear permanently into your mouth.

Read carefully...TRUTH is UNIVERSAL...

Do you know what truth means?

Not A truth - EVERY TRUTH...AND truth itself, is universal.

I don't hold the rights to truth, neither do you...and truth does not rely on our belief to remain UNIVERSAL and true.

That you and I are alive and human is true...

that truth applies to others too.

Think it through...truths are everywhere around you...deny them or accept them...truth will out in the end, it is inescapable.