Shonga : Thanks for clarifying your point on the expulsion of Muslims. Sadly I agree if no other answer can be found we may have to expel any immigrant that threatens violence on Aussies.

I have three problems with the deportation issue :

Couldn't the aborigine argue the same point. Whilst I realise we are in a totally different time in history, our forefathers committed terrible crimes against the aboriginal. I do have trouble with this obvious double standard.

Secondly if we deport one member of a family for threatened or actual violence doesn't that leave the rest of the family here with the possibilty of them becoming bitter and twisted people also. I mean most families say their kids didn't do the crime when their child is caught.

Thirdly... Isn't it better to lock up these people in our jails so that we remain in control and can then limit the spread of hate from that individual or group.

magic jess: Can you tell us where you got the information ragarding the publication of those cartoons in Egypt?

syed: If many Muslims are burning Danish buildings, Danish Flags & threatening to harm Danish people abroad isn't this exactly the argument that the Muslims use in reverse. You and I don't want people to discriminate against Muslims and yet Muslims seem quite
unaffected when the Danish are discriminated against just because one paper printed some cartoons. It seems a huge double standard.

Surely it is time for the moderates in the Muslim countries to step forward and to explain to their more militant brothers that their protests have the potential to undermine peace in Muslim lands and that these cartoons are only cartoons, are NOT blasphemy and do not represent the views of all people in the West.

David Boaz... Alan Bold didn't called Osama Bin Laden and the Talliban heroes... he was saying the USA sponsored them. The hero word shouldn't have been used.

Alan Bold... What do you think of Osama Bin Laden and the Talliban now?

I often wondered why no one took me to task for actually stating quite early in this thread that ALL religions were dangerous and stated - "Don't criminalize abuse of religions and so called prophets - criminalize religious abuse!!"

Actually what I should have said was to ban ALL religions - they are a pestilence that needs to be wiped out because all they do is cause hatred and oppression - whether they be christian or muslim - or jew! Don't take my word on it - just do a bit of constructive investigation of history and tell me which religion is free from the hypocrisy - which winning religion has not has the biogger guns and bombs - and of course their bloody god on their side.

The jews have proven themselves to be perfidious liars and treacherous, the christians with their corrupt popes have gone on slaughtering crusades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_%28disambiguation%29) slaughtering muslims and of course muslims and their prophet Muhammad ibn Abdullah was a womanising adulterous paedophile who found his god in a cave were also not adverse in a few Jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad) or three - made no difference really, because god was always on the side of the biggest battalion.

No doubt all of the loony crazies will be clambering from out under their rocks and show their true colours - but what the hell - I have a thick hide even if it is getting a bit tatty of late.

As for what they are: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moslem)
Until around the late 1980s, the word was commonly spelled Moslem. The spelling has since fallen into disuse. Muslims do not recommend this spelling because it is often pronounced "mawzlem," which sounds somewhat similar to an Arabic word for "oppressor" (Za'lem in Arabic). The word is pronounced "Mus"-lim in Arabic, but some English dictionaries allow both "Mus"-lim and "Muz"-lim.

Looks like bushbred is the only one with any common sense here, with me trailing slightly

and Verdant – yes - you can go and riot now - just throw a rock or three at your computer - :-)

George C, There are many that follow a belief system with reason, life would be unbearable if we didn't believe. Within all religions there are lots of good people who go about their lives in an honorable manner. When it comes to the crunch though, they will sacrifice their lives for their god. I'd sacrifice my life for certain things, but not a god. Thats the difference.

Monotheistic beliefs, are exclusive no matter what they say, their actions are to exclude all else in the end. That makes them evil and dangerous, I believe humans are evolving psychologically and believe there may be a conscious state after death. My present feelings may lean to reincarnative evolution through different dimensions, some have reached the next step. We ourselves create that next step, with the right knowledge and application.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't believe all the knowledge we attain is for nothing. The thought of a heaven thats pure, is irrational for anyone that can learn, create and change within their mind for a better life. Without challenge and change, life would be stagnant and boring. So heaven would become a a boring hell, for the thinking mind.

Thats why religion is only for the infantile mind, they can handle static repetitive boredom Only those monotheistic followers that worship within their lives privately and express an example, that enhances the standing of their beleifs, are true believers. The rest, 99% are false.

Living a lie, requires you to gain support for that lie at any cost, or it collapses. If enough people believe the lie, then you have force on your side. Religious power comes by making people fearful, not peacefully or with love. True love is acceptance and support no matter what you believe. Bloody tooth fairy doesn't come after you pass 60 though, does it.

Opinionated2,
Depotation/incarcaration, there are arguements for and against, and I agree Aboriginal Australians may be entitled to use same legislation, however I still feel that we would be a much better
society without lunatic religious fanatics, who riot and burn, if their families agree with their behaviour, they can go also. Something must be done, and done now, do you remember our fearless leader saying "We will decide who comes, and the circimstances under which they come" he was elected on that statement.

My statement is "We shall decide who stays, and the circumstances under which they stay" as previously stated, we have been a peaceful country, except for a handful of Wars, wars that we have been dragged into by England or the USA. This country has seen strikes, and marches against oppression, but to my knowledge we have never before seen Cronulla riot situation. This country does not want, need these people, we are in stock in the criminal sphere, and need no more. If these lunatics are doing what they are doing for "Ala" then I say, let them do it somewhere else, we already have more than our share of peacful religious lunatics, we call the the Assembly of God. Oh Froffie,ALL, Col Rouge and co I am a leftie, if you want to label everything that goes wrong as "leftie" I would suggest you discover what it is you are talking about.

chainsmoker,
The sedition laws were not about the restriction on free speech. It was about the incitement of followers to criminal acts of violence and sabotage of civil order that undermines our values. Obviously you listen to too many Muslim extremists ravings. I note you identify yourself as racist in your reference to "white media". Obviously in your mind there is a BLACK media that tells what you want to hear. Quit the racist attitude and become an Aussie. Under the term Aussie there is no colour.

Quote, "Why did we not see this level of blood-curdling ferocity over Howard's new sedition laws? Then, the big issue was freedom of speech. Now, the big issue is freedom of speech.
Then, the (white) media were concerned the new laws would curtail freedom of speech. Now, the white worriers are concerned an unfamiliar religion wants to curtail freedom of speech.

Numbat:

Islam is not a pagan religion. By definition, Paganism is non-Abrahamic. Don't slander peaceful Pagans by connecting them with a book and a religion that teaches death and hate.