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Abusing freedom of expression : Comments

By Syed Atiq ul Hassan, published 10/2/2006

The media has a responsibility to the on going civic development of society but not to insult and promote disharmony.

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To all of you who are condemning Syed Atiq ul Hassan on his article:

For God sake be honest and fair – I have Syed’s article very deeply again and I cannot find a single statement where he has promoted Islam or Muslim ideas and condemn Christianity or any other religion. The focal point in his article is that according to his views all such type of creations which insult the faith and hurt the believes of anyone (including Christian, Muslim, Jews etc) must be banned and taken to justice – Do you feel he made an offence elaborating this view. I am very shocked to see most of you drifted your comments in abusing Islam, Muslim and author himself – what else I would say except that yes you keep hatred against Islam and Muslims and posturing your feeling whenever you find an opportunity to express your hatred against Muslim when you find that by chance any Muslim writer any piece on this forum.

I am not a Muslim but I have a courage to support a person who talks about with fairness and equality doesn’t matter what religion he/she carries. So you can suggest me that I am at the wrong forum. I would suggest the Online Forum owner to make this forum only for White extremists or Ango Saxon (the so called only owner of the land of Australia) then there will be no abuse and disrespect of others. If you little bit sincerity with Australia as you claim please please don't bring bad name to our nation by spreading a message to hatred across throug this forum..
Posted by Alan_Bold, Sunday, 12 February 2006 1:32:40 PM
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Alan Bond,

you IslmaoFascist!! you are a terrorist apoligist, people who murder women and children of all faiths.

If the Infidels were to war against Islam, then it would be the end of Islam - the US has enough nuclear weapons to destory the world one thousand times.

If the US were nazis who war against Islam as your leftist, liberalist, islamofacist mind vehemently suggests, then i put it to you that there would not be one Muslim left in this world - not one!!

MY ANCESTORS BUILT THIS COUNTRY ON CHRISTRIAN VALUES, FREDDOM OF EXPRESSION, AND WOMEN"S RIGHTS - your relatives immigrated to Australia and didn't have a problem with christian values, freedom of expression, and women's rights at the time they immigrated - it was because of the OPPRESSION FROM ISLAMIC GOVERNMENTS THAT YOUR MUSLIM RELATIVWES IMMIGRATED HERE FOR FREEDOM - and now you want to take that freedom away in ther name of Islam!!

I suggest to you that you leave Australia for Iran, where a woman will have her lips cut of by the religious police for wearing lipstick - it sure a woman in Iran doesn't value freedom of expression either. (sarcasm).

THE US WAS ALSO BUILT ON CONVICTS - THE WAR OF INDEPENDECE MADE IT EXPEDIENT FOR THE BRITISH TO SEND CONVICTS TO ASTRALIA - BUT LESS THAN 2% OF PEOPLE HAD CONVICT ANCESTORS< A LOT WERE FREE SETTLERS, POOR IRISH, AND BRITICH SOLDIERS AND OFFICIALS!! LEARN SOME RESPECT AND SOME HISTORY - GET YOUR OWN ISLAMIC STATE_ THIS COUNTRY IS FOR PEOPLE YOU LOVE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND LOVE AUSTRALIA!!
Posted by Thor, Sunday, 12 February 2006 1:32:52 PM
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"“The Qur’an is one leg of two which form the basis of Islam. The second leg is the Sunnah of the Prophet. What makes the Qur’an different from the Sunnah is its form. Unlike the Sunnah, the Qur’an is quite literally the Word of Allah, whereas the Sunnah [which is comprised exclusively of Hadith] was inspired by Allah but the wording and actions are the Prophet’s. The Qur’an has not been expressed using any human words. Its wording is letter for letter fixed by Allah. Prophet Muhammad was the final Messenger of Allah to humanity, and therefore the Qur’an is the last Message which Allah has sent to us. Its predecessors such as the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels have all been superceded.”

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/faqs7.html

Qur'an 8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an 8:40 "If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know Allah is your Supporter."

Below are from the Sahith (authentic) Hadiths of Bukhari circa 830AD. They form part of the Sunnah

Bukhari:V9B88N174 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Far removed from mercy are those who change the religion of Islam after me! Islam cannot change!’”

Bukhari:V4B52N260 “The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’”

Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror. The treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.’”

This is why Muslims who own up to what Islam is are rare and why they are the salt of the earth. Situations that test a Muslims faith, ie being confronted with the truth of Islam, is called by Mohammed "worse than death".

The Muslim recites this prayer five times a day

"Show us the straight Path, The Path of those (who fear Allah) and on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings.
Not of those (committing wrongs deliberately) On whom Thou art angry, nor of those who (Having wrong opinions) go astray. Ameen"
Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Sunday, 12 February 2006 1:51:27 PM
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Dr Ameer Ali,president of Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, also described as Prime Minister John Howard's adviser on Muslim issues, wants all our schools to be taught Islamic values.
These include the Islamic values of justice,compassion,mercy, tolerance and benevolence.
Now I think we have all seen far too much Islamic values expressed lately and the sheer mindless violence that accompanies those values.
The cartoons were stupid, many of the hysterical Muslims who rioted and burned so gladly had probably never read them but were so hyped up by their leaders, they would have done anything they were bidden to do.
We do not want that fanatasism here, there is far too much Muslim trouble in this country as it is. Getting it out of this country should be the priority, not dragging it into our schools.
Those who want to practise and live by those values should not be trying to make us adopt such repulsive ideals, they simply should not be here at all.
Posted by mickijo, Sunday, 12 February 2006 2:24:46 PM
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I repeat I do not hate pagan moslems, they in the main are being used and abused.Though I do hate and distrust their death-loving, lying, brutal, misogynistic pagan religion. Why? read on
From al-Muhajiroun, member of a British based moslem group.
Quote: "Let it be clear that to be a moslem requires one to not only believe in islam but to submit completely and comprehensively to the commands of allah" [mcpoh -my work] cont. ",to live,fight and die for this cause regardless of the consequences. Part of our imaam is to love allah[mcpoh],his commands and the believers, to be loyal to them and to support them whatever the circumstances, at the same time to hate anything that opposes this [i.e.kufr] and those who carry and promote it, to distance oneself from them and to have no affinity with them. Today there are many munafiqeen [hypocrites] barking away, they oppose the commands of allah[mdpuh]and have displayed their hatred towards moslems, they have taken the kuffar as their bitaanah [close friends] and have distanced themselves from ahlul tawheed..."ad nauseum. this letter can be read at 'jihad Watch' web site. Moslems like this are barking mad and dangerous dogs. Where are the "moderste?" moslems oh where? numbat
Posted by numbat, Sunday, 12 February 2006 2:32:42 PM
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Malik,

The purpose of the cartoons published in Jyllands-Posten was to show the "self-censorship" that Europeans are undertaking out of fear of Islamists - it is a manifestation of 'freedom of expression' in itself to be able to publish the cartoons, but the purpose was to show the 'hold' that Isalmists have over newspapers, politicains, and common citizens when it come to issues about Islam - just like the Dutch director who was shot three times and then close to beheaded by an Islamist (who held Dutch ciutizenship) because the dutch director had made a film about the mistreatment and oppression of women in Islam.

if you want to talk about double standards;

the Islamic Egyptian Al-Farq newspaper published the cartoons, and not one Muslim complained about it - is it ok for an Islamic newspaper to publish such cartoons, but not ok for a secular swedish newspaper to publish the cartoons - i think Muslims must be using the "double standard" which you were complaining about in an above post

- the point is, if these cartoons are honestly offensive to Islam, they must be offensive in and of themsleves, regardless of whoever publishes them - the fact that Egyptian muslims published them does not make them less offensive, but if when the Egyptian muslims publish them you didnt get offended, then you have no right to get offended when the secular swedish publish them.

and , what about the anti-christian and anti-semetic cartoons in the middle east newspapers - i don't see you complaing about these, enjopy YOUR double standard!!

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL US WHAT AND WHAT NOT TO PUBLISH, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION OR NOT, THIS IS EUROPE WHERE IT WAS PUBLISHED, AND WE LIVE IN ASUTRALIA - GET BACK TO THE MIDDLE EAST AND STOP WARING AGAINST FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND AUSTRALIA.

(5 young Australias were stabbed at one of syndey;s beaches at the weekend by the 'usual suspects' - men of middle eastern appearence.
and a blakc somali father was bashed to death in Aurburn by middle eastern thuggs) IS THIS ISLAM??!!
Posted by Thor, Sunday, 12 February 2006 2:33:31 PM
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