I notice that Boaz David that we rarely cross swords since I'm the religious cynic and you are the avowed believer,but how is it we find so much common ground?

Arjay

You crack me up!

You and BD are both relentless in your causes - what a juxtoposition.

Cheers
Kay

[Thereafter we have a hotch potch of Arabs filtering in here and there.]Persian world long ago was far, far greater than a "hotch potch of Arabs" Now, I don't know where exactly, or when, but there were great mathematicians and astronomers that rivalled or exceeded what is now european lands.

[Now..your final illusory dream "Islam itself" is not violent.]
Islam -itself- is not evil and not dangerous. I never said violent. Irregardless, going by the books reveals both sides to have been violent and commited atrocities. However, I have read about the Crusades to the Holy Land, done in the name of God. The pure butchery that ensued is indescribable. Church inquisitors have shown extreme brutality to people, especially "free thinkers".

[To glorify Allah and spread Islam as EXEMPLIFIED by our holy prophet Mohammed.]
I know that Islamic teachings are rigorous and are more extreme than Christian religion is today. I said that before. What I'm saying is yes, there are extreme, dangerous elements in the world however, when you look at the world the largest muslim country is Indonesia and it is peaceful and moderate. The extreme elements are exactly that, but nothing more. Islam is quietly living peacefully in many democracies around the world and the largest representative of Islam is Indonesia, which is a democracy and moderate.

Steel,
So is that why Indonesia masacred Christians in East Timor; or transmigrate 400,000 by huge shiploads of Muslims into the majority Christian province of West Papua? Is that why they murder the Indiginous peoples calling them independence militia who resist this taking of their native lands and heritage? Indonesia is a dangerous place for Australians eg Bali, Australian Embassy etc. Ask how many Australians would prefer to live in Indonesia under their laws and with devoted Muslims observing shari'ah compared to Australia. Most Indonesians may call themselves Muslim just like most Australians might call themselves Christian. But I can tell you neither are devoted adherents to their faith. The places where the Immams are teaching the Koran with passion are the extremist areas such as Aech. In these places 10,000 plus Christians have been masacred.

Good example of what happens under Islamic rule.