Martin Ibn Warriq, Are you a self loathing ex-Muslim? Or someone who is simply over compensating for not being a white Christian?

Martin ibn Warriq,

Your analysis of the "yabster" is very true and very funny. Some nun gave the yabster a kick in the pants years ago and he is still crying about it. No one is holding a gun to his head to go to church or believe in God. None the less yabby whines and whines on about the Catholic church. Then we have maracas. Those two should be stand up comics. My name's yabby and I hate religion. My name's yabby and I hate the Catholic church. My name's yabby and I am a robot. My name's yabby and I run on batteries. My names's maracas and I have only one hobby. My name's maracas and I too run on batteries.

Forget Martin and Lewis. It's the yabby/maracas show. As boring as bat shat.

Martin and Fred,
Thanks but I didn't come up with the slogan, and I'm not running for Parliament :). Also, please don't tear into Yabby/maracas personally, I don't think its very Christ-like.

Yabby,
"So protect women, when they become women." OK, so the law offers no protection for prepubescent girls? What about baby girls? 8 month old fetuses? 8 week old fetuses? Its interesting that in all terminations of a fetus, its considered murder, UNLESS, its conducted as an abortion.

"A piece of steel is not a car". A fertilised egg is not a woman's body part. It is from the moment of conception fully a SEPARATE member of the human species. The only argument left is whether or not it yet has "personhood", or perhaps, a "soul". Crap, isn't that putting religion into the argument?

"Provide the resources for the next 20 years." That's not the case in A adoption, B tougher laws forcing male parenting.

"Dismal failure of abstinence."
I agree with what you said about priests. However, I don't think abstinence is a dismal failure. I never used to support it being taught- I figured if someone didn't have an underlying philosophical reason not to have sex, they just would, but I read a report from a pro-contraception sex ed organisation in England saying the abstinence message was actually working much better, much of an "achilles heel" for them. (Sorry, I can't find the link.) The reason I think it works is because it actually teaches the psychological/perhaps spiritual aspects of sex, doesn't just teach the physical side of it and then add the nebulous "but only do it if you're ready".

So like I said, abstinence AND safe sex should be taught together, and I think they're each the poorer without one another.

"Nobody likes the number of abortions occuring each year". Cool, so can we please work towards avoiding them all together rather than maintaining the status quo?

Martin and Friedrich, I note your lack of empathy for women and their situations. I guess those catholic rosaries are not on your ovaries :)

Anyhow, as you two clowns have not even attempted to negate my arguments, clearly you have none. Fair enough...

Yngn, thanks for your response. All this has been discussed before, I am sure you have heard the arguments before. Most countries have agreed to allow abortion without question, in the first tremester.
Its a line in the sand drawn about brains, if you want I can go through it all again, its a reasoned argument.
Nobody talks of murdering an organism except religious fundies, so its emotive semantics, no more.

A new piece of steel also goes on to make a SEPARATE car, that still does not make it a car yet.

Yes abstinance is a dismal failure, especially in those areas, like the US bible belt, where no sex education is taught at the same time.
When those girls hit the real world, something happens, hormones trigger, all the normal problems of teenagehood etc, bingo they get pregnant. Compare US teen statisics with say the Dutch. US bible belt figures are by far the worst.

The point is the Catholic teaching of JUST abstinance, which is part of their preaching, has proven to be a dismal failure. There is nothing wrong with teaching kids the spiritual value of sex, it should be part of philosophy/ethics classes, which if I had my way, would replace religious teaching in schools. Saying abstinance is the ONLY solution, is where its failing miserably.

Yabby,

I do hope I haven't offended you. Thank you for calling me a clown. I've always wanted to be one.

On a recent post I said I have changed my mind and the question of abortion should be left to the woman. I also agree that the Church has a lot to answer for.

I am being sincere when I say you and maracas would make a great comedy act.

Get your rosaries off my sisters ovaries indeed.