Yabby, hearing you classify anyone else as 'kinky' is ROFL...REALLLLY ludicrous...ROFL again!

What was that you said about your chimp and bonobo 'evolving relatives' and their preferred sexual positions...which you apparently follow with great interest. If they are so 'human', they may prefer a little privacy, rather than being exposed as peep show performers by their supposedly evolved relatives, don't you think?

Then there are your fantasies about all things Catholic and what happens in 'Catholic bedrooms'...you display seriously 'kinky' obsessions there...however it's understandable as you may feel you are missing the satisfaction of a 'real' relationship, especially since your abandonment by the US ex.

...and your posts have only deteriorated from there.

Of course your advocacy of various methods of killing babies couldn't be classified as 'kinky'...there are more macabre descriptions that would be better suited there.

Sheesh, this is getting interesting now, as the truth is revealed!

Meg seems to think that what bonobos and chimps do quite naturally and normally should be considered kinky. I have news for you Meg,
its natural and normal, but then bonobos and chimps were never brainwashed by the nuns to think otherwise, lucky them :)

Luckily they are not into whips and spikey chains either, as Opus Dei seems to be, but you don't don't mention that you think thats kinky. Is that what your religion has taught you? Do you have
whips and spikey chains in your cupboard Meg ? :)

BTW, I have never advocated killing babies, which is what they become once they have a functioning human brain. I have advocated family planning and choice by women as to how many children that they want to raise. That includes various forms of contraception, the snip, abortion of fetuses. Just like you flush that potential little MiniMeg down the toilet each month, ignoring what she would have said on her wedding day, had you decided to keep her, other women have the right to use their forms of family planning to achieve the same ends.

Now if we are going to talk about sexual behaviour, its not me trying to tell couples what they should or should not do in bed, but in fact your Catholic Church! Add a few chains and whips and things get kinkier all the time in the Catholic religion :)

Yabby,

“ cherrypicked out a few bits about what was natural law “

The information you have provided from pro-abortionists demonstrates that if the church cherry picks then it is congenial company.

”Now your church may see suffering as natural and therefore acceptable. My personal philosophy is that we evolved to be intelligent enough to be able to avoid all that suffering, so its unacceptable, pointless and extremely sad.”

We are so intelligent that our solution for helping people is killing babies. This type of bizarre loss of ethics happens when we reject the guidance of a much more intelligent being.

”I have strung no long bows..”

You blamed the Catholic Church for deaths from abortion. That is a long bow however you want to dress it up. People who follow the Catholic faith don’t have abortions. You have taken a propaganda twist and seem to be taking it seriously.

”Women do not risk their lives for no reason you know.”

Can you honestly say that you can be certain that if they knew the dangers of abortion they would do it? If they knew the consequences of abortion both healthwise and ethically they would not do it.

”Those desperate women in countries where abortion is banned,
would not die by their tens of thousands, if it was made legal and
proper health care was given to them.”

Making abortion legal won’t change a third world country into something better and make the women wealthy and the health care system good. More significantly they would not die by their tens of thousands if people like you didn’t push abortion and instead discouraged it.

“ Hitchens clearly has a lot of evidence..”

The obvious person who would be able to counter the evidence if it were incorrect is Mother Theresa and she won’t be arguing with him.

MJ, if the church cherrypicks about natural law when formulating its dogma, then clearly its dogma is based on flawed thinking. There is no substantiated evidence of any god being involved in the formulation of that dogma.

The abortion rate between catholics and non catholics is in fact quite similar,
so most people clearly ignore those teachings on contraception and abortion which they disagree with. Meantime Catholic numbers in the first world continue to dwindle, as people find the teachings more and more irrelevant.

A fetus is not a baby, you continue to confuse them. Meg, our local loyal Catholic here, continues to kill one potential child a month, as she flushes it down the toilet. All mothers have a right to choose how many children they can afford to raise, other women make similar decisions to Meg. Mothers are aware that if they can’t feed and care for their families, the whole family suffers. Here we differ, I am for choice and for reducing suffering. Catholic
dogma has some weird notions about suffering, which I totally disagree with.

If the church was really so concerned about babies and the welfare of people,
it would have no objection to people doing what most these days do in the
First world, ie the snip. But nope, they want to control exactly what Catholics do in bed, with whom and how.

Making abortion legal in the third world would have benefits all round. Less starving babies, less dying women, better educated children, more wealth for the parents, a rising living standard for the poor. Its not rocket science to work out that if a woman has 2-3 kids and only has enough resources to care for them properly, the whole family will do better then if she is forced to have 6-8, many of them going hungry.

The evidence about Mother Teresa is all there is writing, considering that hundreds of millions of $ were involved, the accountability of how it was spent and where it went, should be in writing too. Her many fans are free to prove Hitchens wrong.

Yabby…the ‘kinky’ part is YOUR OBSESSION with ‘what comes naturally’…it isn’t healthy to obsess over it constantly – human, chimp or bonobo - nor is it ‘natural’ to refuse to accept the ‘natural’ consequences of your actions…even chimps and bonobos do that. Perhaps they should have the ‘snip’ too? Should they be taught to use condoms also in your new world order?

Your ‘choices’ to maim and kill only involve human babies…’kinky’, twisted, macabre…you choose.

I wouldn’t rip a LIVE kitten apart either Yabby-or any other creature-born or unborn. Cruelty to unborn human babies, involving tearing them limb from limb…well that 'reality' will be judged by history just as it is…barbaric and brutal punishment and killing of the innocent.

A human foetus is an ‘unborn’ baby, Yabby…as an infant is a baby that has been born…the difference is simply a change of address, even you should be able to grasp that.

If you're ‘into spikey chains and whips’, that’s definitely your problem, Yabby. Another good reason for the exit of the US-ex, huh? As I’ve said to your ‘friend’ Brownie…it’s not healthy to fantasise about the bedroom relationships of others…nor to peep and obsess either.

‘its not me trying to tell couples what they should or should not do in bed’

…well that’s a contradiction since you haven’t missed a post without railing against your fantasized version of the sexual habits of Catholics and the teachings of the Church…and telling all and sundry, whether they are interested or not, that you don’t wanna take any responsibility for any 'possible relationship' that you might have in the next century or so…(between neurosurgery appointments and ‘research’ in the WA bush)…AND you don’t see why anyone else should either.

Sounds like your anti-life demands regarding black African babies and condoning the use of unsafe (banned elsewhere)and dangerous contraceptives in developing nations…is doing exactly what you deny…

Your knowledge of the meaning of ‘foetus’ is as sadly lacking as your regard for the women whose bodies you profess to ‘defend’…

You make many presumptions, Yabby, none of which you can back up…

(tbc...)

(Cont…)

Unlike your claims, Yabby, I haven't EVER taken, maimed or mutilated the life of another human being…nor have I financed killing by the above means…quite the contrary…how about you?

RE: your claims on Catholics and abortion…remembering that you are also a baptized Catholic, Yabby, I’d suggest your ‘statistics’ are another reflection of your obsessive and delusional attempts to justify your own failures by trying desperately to besmirch others.

Regarding Mother Teresa – you’ll have a chance to see if you can hold a candle to her when your judgment comes…meantime, your bile and venom does you more harm than it will ever do to her or those who knew and loved her.

How sad a life when the pedestal you'd stand on is built by besmirching and falsely diminishing the reputations of others…no satisfaction, no joy, no life of greatness in that, Yabby. Dragging others down doesn't make you more 'important' or raise you up...

Another reflection on the great joy and celebration of the miracle rescue of Todd Russell and Brant Webb…just two human lives amongst billions…and their value was considered immeasurable by a world unified in prayer for their safe recovery. That’s what is the result of a Christian country – with predominantly pro-life values still.

Flip the coin to miners in the same situation in China…dozens are killed or buried alive in China every month…lives rendered valueless by a regime forcing women to have their babies killed to term at the government's directive. That’s your brave new world Yabby…you’re welcome to it.

Who did the townspeople and miners call on? Who did they thank? Interestingly Fr Kerry Crowley of Tully, who figured in the thanks from Brant Webb, was humble about the part he played…so far away. No surprises there, that’s why people like you like to attack Catholics, Yabby…I wonder who you’d call on from a kilometre underground, when the chips were down?

I’ll pray for you too…that you’ll climb out from under all that waste and crushing failure and reclaim your faith…however far ‘underground’ you are. : ))