…tubley, so few words…yet, so much common sense…

MIW, thank you for re-introducing intelligent balance to the debate and greater compassion.

Col, you’re obviously hiding something, consistently refusing to identify your CLUB, why would I assume or guess what that club is? Who cares?

It’s difficult to believe anyone would choose to be in a club subjecting themselves to your crass bile voluntarily…

‘never, ever, make attacking claims about a completely “unidentified target” or you will only look as stupid as you do now and give me lots of opportunity to torment you for such stupidity.’

Re-read my previous posts, Col, I suspect from your responses that many arrows have hit the bulls-eye despite your cowardice hiding behind your unnamed ‘club’ or cult, or whatever…

Your attempts to ‘torment’ or bully me continue to be unsuccessful…like most of your ilk, you are basically all hot air and ego when confronted.

Most on these threads are ‘unidentified targets’…so you’re looking pretty stupid yourself, arguing against your own tactics again, Col.

…your comments about mjpb are a case in point…slanderous abuse without identifiable evidence and without knowing basics like his gender…guilty by your own accusations.

Perhaps mjpb posts on his own time instead of paid work time…can you say the same? Perhaps he has other significant events in his life than responding to your ‘twaddle’ and ‘vitriol’.

Thanks for your support and your informed comment, Michael.

Scout, correct plural is foetuses not foeti…

Let it be VERY clear, I do not condemn, nor have I ever condemned the woman or any person, I deplore the act, not the person…I will and have offered all help possible, to anyone in need, whether their past choices were positive or negative.

I’ll let my actions be judged on merit, no one needs abandon their beliefs to help others. On the contrary, it’s those with high ideals we admire…whether we attain that ideal or not. Dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator sounds like conformity to me and I prefer to remain an individual, responsible for my free will, as the Church allows-demands.

(tbc later)

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Mother Teresa was also Catholic Yabby, do you judge work she did amongst the poorest in Calcutta as a scourge on humanity too?

Scurrilous references to Pope John Paul 11 only proves the fanaticism that blinkers some of you to genuine good in others…I once watched Pope John Paul 11 drive along the South-East Freeway towards Brisbane city…traffic spontaneously stopped on both freeways, cars were abandoned as people ran to the sides of the freeways to cheer and wave. The scene was one I have never witnessed before or since for any other individual, religious or otherwise. I witnessed the same overwhelming support and love for the man at a massive ceremony earlier that day…all spontaneous and in an atmosphere of genuine admiration for a man who people clearly recognised as decent and good, with a tremendous love for all. His life proves that beyond doubt.

You hypocritically and falsely accuse Catholics of blindly following without individual thought, then demand that I accept Darwin’s theories…BECAUSE THE CHURCH DOES. I find the arguments related to evolutionism, implausible and unconvincing. Many distinguished scientists support the same position, so I’m in good company…Google that one, for your enlightenment. No triumph in googling…a five-year-old can google, Col.

Even if your ancestors WERE bonobos, Yabby, the Church’s acceptance depends on evolving mammals being ‘ensouled’ at some point on the path to ‘your humanity’. I don’t automatically swallow what YOU”RE shoving down my throat…you see, some may see you as gullible in your ‘beliefs’ too, Yabby…

As for my ‘ticket to Heaven’, that must be earned ‘til my last breath and we aren’t ‘guaranteed’ it until the measure of our lives is judged then…as MIW says, you’ve as much right to Heaven as I do…whatever your past mistakes, you make the final choice. God chooses us, we accept or reject Him…He gives us until our very last breath to say YES!

Col, Col, Col, I thought you had reformed! Oh well, lets get on with it then. Col could you please supply the numbers of peodophiles convicted in the past 20 years, and the proportion of Catholic Priests? Only to give us some idea, try Google!

Generalised sumation will only lead to tears, you show your narrow vision in your comments, please mate, I have a bit of pity for you mate as Catholism has taught me to tolerate fools, but sadly I still don't do it easily! Meg1 please don't bite at this feeble excuse of humanity, he knows not what he does.

Col, I don't quote the Bible often, however I must at this stage, "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" I'll garuntee it won't be you.....

Col... who cares what your Google search yields? I could type in 'man in a pink frock' and get about a million hits. So what?

Good point Meg, about Mother Theresa. She'll be remembered in a thousand years, Col will be forgotten, God rest his soul.

tubley,
Please show mercy on this incredibly stupid soul!

Martin ibn Warriq “If you were to put clerical abuse in context”

I will put it in context. If you care to read back over my posts you will see I identify two acts of “corruption”. The first the 1% who commit the abuse. However, they alone do not corrupt the whole. The REAL corruption is the 1% who, as bishops and the hierarchy of organised religions, used their positions of authority to cover-up the corruption of the 1% who perpetrated child abuse.

It is this second 1% who have trashed the efforts of many who work tirelessly to help others.

AS you rightly suggest “Jesus Christ is an irreplaceable part of human culture.” I would agree but I would also suggest, Jesus Christ has nothing to do with the manipulation of society by the management tiers of organised religions as they exist today.

mjpb your last post lacks the one thing which might give it meaning – you have failed, yet again to identify the “team” which you claimed I am a part of and which has a worse record of abuse than priest.

OUT WITH IT mjpb, stop pussy-footing around, name the team !

Meg1, you too have promoted mjpb’s fatuous slander and now try to sniffle away. Another with more mouth than sense!

Tubley, I thought GY had banned you following your last outrage.

SHONGA, running along at the heels of others? I need no mercy from tubley and your assessment carries as much weight as your double digit IQ.

Back to the point of all this.

1 None of you have the authority to make demands on women you do not know to decide how those women will use their own bodies.

2 The claims to virtue made by organised religion have been dashed by the coverup and hypocrisy which organised religions perpetrated to protect the corruptors. It is this cover-up which has made organised religions the sanctuary of the scurrilous and which has destroyed their standing in modern society.