Meg1 I see you are keeping up the vitriol, it is all you can muster.

You must be frustrated that you cannot make a sensible prediction to the organisation which I represent.
You spew out your crass and petulant twaddle, incapable of NAMING the Organisation and I can punch two words into google and get all the damning evidence of atrocities committed by those who are in charge of the Roman Catholic Church.

If I try “catholic abuse” I get 14,400 hits
If I try “catholic paedophile” I get 431 hits
If I try “catholic corruption” I get 741 hits
If I try “catholic inquisition” I get 27,700 hits.
If I try “Catholic child abuse” I get 1,060 hits and the first is

Catholic child abuse scandals 360 years old - World - www.smh.com.au

The list goes on, too many to count or read..

Meg1, you are not very smart. Hurling abuse at an un-identifiable organisation is as smart as peeing uphill, all that happens is your own waste comes back to wash you away.

mjpb, he (or maybe she) made the stupid claim in the first place and you have merely picked up his stained and soiled banner, since he seems to have slid away with his tail between his legs.

I seriously suggest you never, ever, make attacking claims about a completely “unidentified target” or you will only look as stupid as you do now and give me lots of opportunity to torment you for such stupidity.

We were all embryos once. Your mother and father, your best friends and your work-mates. All were embryos once. Remember that.

Of course any abuse committed by clergy is horrible. We should never minimise it, and its opaque to my imagination how men can act this way, they have deeply diseased characters. That some Bishops acted stupidly and almost unforgivably is a matter of record.

But what you omit and what puts you, unfortunately in the same class as Yabby and seemingly Scout, is to take an extreme example of something and present it as the whole. If you were able to talk about the great service 99% of male and female religious have made to our society then what you say might have an effect. If you were to put clerical abuse in context - i.e it is very rare compared with the rest of society - all of a sudden you become persuasive.

Being able to google isn't interesting, your willingness to seek out anti-Catholic support isn't challenging. But could you write an historically accurate piece that shows Christianity's great force for good?

All who've tried to follow Jesus have been evil?!

You were right about Napolean preventing further execution of heretics http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HC28Df01.html but with that kernel of truth you damn all Christianity. This is a mark of a superficial mind. It invites the question of revolutionary atheist governments and the millions upon millions of murders committed in the name of 'liberation from religious authority'. The around 6000 priests murdered in Spain, the 100's of thousands in Germany and Russia etc. Not a peep about these crimes.

To argue that history has been one big pile of mistakes is revolutionary futurism. It is a kind of secular chiliasm - we will usher in a 1000 year reign of peace if we just get rid of religion.

Jesus Christ is an irreplaceable part of human culture. Half of sub Saharan Africa is Christian, China 2 million in 1949 now around 100 million. There is a Christian revolution occuring in Latin America.

"..they listen but do not hear, look but do not see lest they repent and be converted" Gospel according to St Mark.

Christianity is the key to modernity. It exalts the lowly and humbles the 'great man'. The Christian virtues have been a revelation for mankind and wherever practiced has led to the flourishing of society. Jesus truly was the Son of God. What you have heard actually happened.

Having said that I was where you three were not that long ago. I can't pretend it was my good work that led to my conversion - far from it. "You did not choose me - I chose you"

Who can say what plans Our Lord has for you. It seems you may have the job of keeping those who claim to be Christians honest. If so at least do your job well. Yabby you are just like the fanatical Christians you rail against. Can you not see that?

Repeating all the popular prejudices about Christianity isn't courage its conformism. Its much easier to be that way than a Christian in our society. To step out of the prison of our time you have to rise above that kind of path of least resistance.

We could have accomplished so much by now, but it seems we haven't got past the Inquisition, clerical abuse, saying Hitler was Catholic, ignorant quoting of the Old Testament, and the Crusades.

When it comes to religion Scout thinks Islam is like Christianity or like all religion. This is not thinking.

Your agnosticism, atheism and its purposes are none of my business its between you and God. But at least be good atheists, and agnostics.

Yabby the problem of evil is where you should focus your attention. Scout Islam and Christianity are VERY different, you are religious too. Argue for your religion, know what your own starting assumptions are. Col Christianity is the best defender of your individuality and rights. Look carefully.

Thankyou Martin Ibn Warriq,

I see every day the good work that's being done by religious groups and I'm glad you put this into perspective.

Tubs.

Col,

“I still insist you IDENTIFY that team which according to you “has a worse track record for engaging in paedophile behaviour””

How many times do I have to tell you that it doesn’t matter as the outcome will be the same? It is absurd to slander priests due to the rare exceptions. Priests are statistically extremely unlikely to be paedophiles. Thus if I use your approach of overgeneralising from the paedophiles in the group to your team, irrespective of how you reasonably categorise it, statistically they will perform more poorly. When you finally understand this I am going to clap.

”… I am able to punch two words into google and get 364,000 references...””

…and this is expected to impress me how?

”I have never claimed paedophilia is the preserve exclusively of the priesthood, catholic or otherwise.”

…but you seem to find it extremely challenging to understand that your vilification of priests is unfair and ill conceived.

”Your observation “see how many paedophiles pass through the courts” – that does not identify them as being on “my team”. “

It is to make you aware that the rare examples of Catholic priest paedophiles however well publicised are a drop in the ocean.

“… I CAN NAME … WITH CRIMINAL PAEDOPHILIC BENTS ..”

…from all over the world who have molested children over a period of at least decades and are hardly representative of priests as a whole.

”Mjpb, I have come to a conclusion. You are a jackass.”

No need to lash out Col I am happy to keep trying to explain things to you.

“Meg1 I see you are keeping up the vitriol, it is all you can muster.”

Is saying this about someone else meant to be funny?

”mjpb, he (or maybe she) …, since he seems to have slid away with his tail between his legs.”

For the record I am a he and my name is Michael. I hadn’t yet responded to your post 29/3 9.49pm by 30/3 3.40pm and you post this. This is no more logical than your other comments.