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Multiculturalism: a simple defence : Comments
By Keith Kennelly, published 30/1/2006Keith Kennelly argues there are advantages for us all in multiculturalism, even after Cronulla.
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Posted by mickijo, Monday, 30 January 2006 3:02:39 PM
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KRS 1,
So which of the 8 points raised by Ev don’t you agree with? You know ‘some muslims’ do you? Many (thank God) are pseudo-muslims and are generally speaking good people. But this is the exception to the “norm”. Being a true muslim is to follow and apply the teaching of the Qur’an (and all its other derivative books). And we all know what that practice leads to…? You mentioned good old Fred Niles – well his views are as close to true Christianity as you will find. His views are the “norm” however the majority in Australia are pseudo-christians. They call themselves Christians just because they are not something else. They would not know the difference between religions and sadly believe that they all are the same etc… So unless you come back on this forum and substantiate your sweeping remark we will conclude that you are either clueless on islam or categorically defending it. Which is is? Posted by coach, Monday, 30 January 2006 3:07:39 PM
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Ev
Congratulations. You picked the point of my article exactly. '...the glaring exception must be the integration of Islam, since Islam is fundamentally opposed to the Australian nation. The self-proclaimed purpose of Islam is to establish a global, all-powerful Islamic state.' In the conclusion of my article I stated: 'I have concluded the above definition suits my multiculturalism and reflects the multiculturalism of most, but not all, Australians' The use of 'most, but not all' was alluding to exactly your conclusion. I have previously asked Muslim contributors to Online Opinion to supply their definition of Multi-culturalism. None has been forthcoming. One only has to read the witness statement of Mark John Durie in the hearing in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal between the Islamic Council of Victoria and Catch the Fire Ministries, Danial Nailliah and Danial Scott to garner an understanding of the accuracy of your statement. http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001307.php Posted by keith, Monday, 30 January 2006 3:12:25 PM
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Coach-
What kind of shirt are you wearing? Is it polyester cotton? I hope not, because if it is you're going against Leviticus 19:19- 'thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee'. I guess that would make you one of those 'pseudo-christians' you so detest. Facetious, I know. But the point is that no adherents of any religion are entirely faithful to their holy texts. If Ev's comments are applied sweepingly to all Muslims (and they are) then I disagree with all of them. It's absurd as me saying 'all Christians hate gays and wear garments of the same fabric'. In conclusion, I'm not categorically defending Islam. I'm just pointing out that there's a certain diversity of opinion in it. And for the record, I think Christianity and Islam are equally stupid. Posted by KRS 1, Monday, 30 January 2006 3:18:10 PM
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Yes, Australia has been a multiracial country for a long time. But now we have an enforced political policy of MULTICULTURALISM which is not the same thing as NATURAL evolution of multiculturalism ensuing from non-discriminatory immigration.
Big government again raised its ugly head, providing an industry for the ethnic bosses and community leaders who may or may not be representative of their fellows. We have been told often enough on OLO by people who should know that they are not representative, and they don’t speak for everyone. One of these characters actually described his community as his ‘constituents’ recently. According to Keith Kennelly – an immigrant himself – we are now, as a nation, “more committed to and embrace multiculturalism more comfortably now than any point in our history”. Is that really so? How does he know? What criteria has he used? Does he mix only with people who agree with him? Mr.Kennelly’s 7th paragraph could also be speculation on his part. To know what he claims to be truth, he would have to be omnipotent: there are 20 odd million people here with views. Perhaps he is omnipotent. “Multiculturalism simply works”, he trumpets. By gum! Is this the Second Coming? As for his economic benefits of a policy, which we could have for nothing (natural evolution of what was always going to happen as it has in the past), has he looked at the cost of keeping the multiculturalism circus on the road recently? Around 2% of Australia’s $369 billion GDP at the beginning. I hate to think what it is now. I just loved the bit on Sydney. He is “biased (surely not!) in (his) answer” but he doesn’t actually give an answer. Again, he doesn’t let modesty get the better of him, just admitting to being “cheeky”, when he assumes that what suits him suits most, if not all Australians. Bless you, Keith. You are a real card Posted by Leigh, Monday, 30 January 2006 3:24:27 PM
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Do any of these contributors have any experience of truly multicultural societies? Apparently not, otherwise the verbiage would end. Many of the world's new nations are genuine multicultures. The key problem their colonial rulers faced was creating viable central loyalties and national institutions among scores or hundreds of disparate tribal peoples with very different languages, laws, and concepts of authority. (Incidentally, it would help an understanding of "colonialism" if critics could grasp that essential fact.)
Here migrants come into a long-established nation with solid central ideas, ideals, and institutions, and accepting those is de rigueur if they want citizenship. In practice the vast majority of their children born here quickly assimilate. I recall meeting on a remote Greek island some years ago an 18-year-old girl of Greek parentage sent back to their village for 6 months after completing her HSC, to "maintain the heritage". She had 2 months to go when I met her, and couldn't wait to leave: found the whole environment claustrophobic, and desperately anxious to get back to her Aussie schoolfriends. This whole argument is much ado about nothing. People worried here should just spend a year or two in a really multicultural situation. Incidentally, spending money on assisting rapid integration is a good bargain. This country desperately needs at least replacement population and workers with some skills, including manual skills. Posted by oldpro5, Monday, 30 January 2006 4:03:08 PM
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Multiculture is like putting a fox into a chicken house and expecting it to get along with the chickens.
It is a failed policy and all it has done is mess up a good country.
People gush about the culinary side, cook books are available everywhere.
Bringing in immigrants from the third world is only going to drag us down to their level.
It is just a fairy tale that Multiculture will work.