"Hamlet I posted that list of rules you requested. Tell me what you think of Rancitas’ list of rules just for a bit of cultural exchange (Diversity). "

Posted by rancitas, Saturday, 28 January 2006 2:23:01 PM

rancitas: I did not ask for rules, take another look, I stated what I believe are the central tenets of Australian society, that is a liberal democracy with a rule of law and equality before the law, witn some typical pre 1970 Australian traits.

I asked you to state the tenets of your culture.

Instead you gave a list of self-instructions that sound a great deal like those given by Polonius to Laertes before his return to Wittenburg. (By the way, because Australia is an offshoot of Britain I can claim the writings of British authors pre-1788 as being as those of Australia).

Australian culture can make a firm claim on all English language writings pre-1788, however it cannot, and should not make any literary or moral claim on any other language's writings, pre or post 1788.

English is the language of Australia, and forever may it so remain.

Drake resisted the Spanish Armada's attempted to create a multicultural England in 1587 and 1588, and Nelson did likewise against French multicultural attempts in 1805.

So what is wrong with the descendants of British settlers in australia to resist the imposition of foreign cultures upon this culture?

Rainer, I know what she means, even more so. We have lived in seige for a decade. Yes they on occasion they want all all criminals arrested but..

They seem to turn it around all the time they are the victims. They have had race hate murder and race hate rape on their hands. Yet one is led to believe that they are the victims here?

Before Cronulla whatever happened that was so bad? They have victim status down pat.

Ten years of how they are treated unfairly yet not once has it related to anything but criminal charges against who they say they want arrested and punished as per the law.

"Under siege" response is exactly the response they are getting. If they feel fear of being called a wog as she puts it then try to understand what it is like living in their midst for the last ten years when you didn't even think you had police or law on your side?

They may well feel under seige, but then so have we. Until Cronulla though it was us that lived in fear.

About 8 years ago I had a letter to my house. Prior to this I had never engaged in nor commented on any Lebanese gang issue.Yet I was threatened with my life. It read in part future generations of Australians will be under our control, watch your back skip.

If they saw how ugly Cronulla was and how racist it was well tell them they see a mirror image of themselves and what their neighbours have put up with for the last ten years. Can they take ten years of Cronulla?

I will not tolerate their poor me victim nonsense anymore.

You may know, in 2002, the Islamic Council of Victoria brought suit against two Christians — simply for teaching the facts about Islam.

On the website below is witness statement of the professor of linguistics and Anglican priest Mark Durie.

The site said “its an OUTSTANDING summation of the Islamic sources of jihad ideology, dhimmitude, and related topics” . We’re lucky to have it.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001307.php

Here’s some from a textbook for high school students called ‘What is Islam all about?’ Widely available in North America and obtained from the Islamic Council of Victoria bookstore.

In Lesson 88, ‘What is an Islamic Society?’, Emerick writes:

"Muslims dream of establishing the power of Islam in the world. Muslims
of all types and backgrounds agree that the Islamic system is the best for
humanity in this life. (p.377)"

In Lesson 89, ‘What is an Islamic State?’, Emerick criticizes the separation of
Church and State in Western countries. He claims that this happened because of
the weaknesses inherent in Christianity:

"Is it any wonder that enlightened European men saw the need to put
Christianity out of political affairs? (p.381)"

Since Islam does not have the weaknesses of Christianity, such a separation would
be totally wrong for the future Islamic society. He argues that there can be no
separation of mosque and state:

"… for the object of the Islamic state is the establishment of the Deen [i.e.
the sovereignty] of Allah. (p.381)"

He gives an outline of the political and legal system of this future government,
where:

"The basis of the legal and political system is the Shari’ah of Allah. Its
main sources are the Qur’an and Sunnah. People do not make the laws,
Allah does. (p.381)"

To establish this political system is the mission of all Muslims:(end quote)

Its so hard not to sound alarmist. Its hard not to seem as if one is inciting hatred against Muslims. But there is no other way to say it – it’s a Trojan Horse within our society. There are plenty of ppl to show this document to!

raineir and jkenny,

Benjamin give you a headache? Is it all one-way for you guys hu?

rancitas,

MatthewS just obliterated you, and you have nothing to say to him? The points he last made are very very important and I'd like to hear what you have to say.

And please ... support your claims a little; else we get nowhere

Martin
Thanks for that submission it’s good reading indeed and even though it’s large I hope people read it.

Skippy,
Your point earlier that the West Society has looked into itself and has at least tried with multicult is a very valid one, the argument we are racist is dead.

Another poster on here pointed out a difference between natural-multicult and enforced-PC-style multicult. It’s an interesting thought.
It didn’t take PC-enforcement for post war new Australians to be accepted, they were accepted on their own merit.

I want people to see this written by supposed moderate Brother Kayser Trad:

http://www.islam.org.au/articles/16/RACISM.HTM

Here’s a small sample:
“our ideology is the best salvation for the people of Australia, and the people of the world in general. Yes, we are a threat to the culture of drunkenness, paedophilia, and mostly we are a big threat to the culture of ELITISM."

"In a way, they feel safe because of the quantity of water which surrounds this country, so they feel fortified behind this great body, it gives them a feeling of security. But the reality is, the land belongs to God, not to them, and if those foreigners, whom they fear as migrants are not permitted to enter as migrants, they will come as settlers, in numbers so large that they will not be able to process them, hold them, or stop them. What will they do then? If these foreigners who are restraining themselves, because they see a legal hope, that they can come to this vast mainly uninhabited land for whatever reason, are told that there is no longer a legal way to come here, what will they do?"

Also an OLO poster put this up the other day re Kayser’s feelings of gay people at lecture at the University of Western Sydney (UWS) Bankstown campus, entitled “Islam and homosexuality: an Islamic, scientific and logical approach”.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2002/519/519p7b.htm

Rainier
Thank you for posting those comments from Salam as it seems I had the wrong impression of her feelings. If Salam reads this, I would like to say I feel the same and also about yobos that verbally abuse Muslim women. We can well do without either.

In relation to Irfan. I look forward to your posting of his comments also. Like RObert, I feel the quality of his postings has slipped of late to that of labeling and name calling.

There was a conference of young Muslims held a couple of weeks ago in Sydney and I had hopes that they would come up with some good ideas regarding the male Muslim problems. But the only thing I heard was complaints about the "generation gap". Same as everybody else.