rancitas,

You, as with Salam, as with Eva Salis (head of Australians Against Racism), as with so so many who sustain their existence by perpetuating the falsehood that “racism” means “Anglo redneck,” such that the “ethnic minority” can justify its nihilistic “tradition,” just have no idea of how you really sound.

What you are in effect saying is that IT IS HOSTILE FOR ANGLOS TO TALK ABOUT THE RACISM THEY EXPERIENCE and which is TARGETED AT THEM.

What you effectively do (if not intentionally, you definitely do it unconsciously) is YOU MAKE ANGLOS FEEL LIKE THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG, simply by raising the issue, discussing it, getting angry over it, etc.

Now, that is an absolutely SHOCKING thing to do to someone!

What is “monoculturalist” about protesting/discussing the racism of non-Anglos?

YOU PROVIDE NO ARGUMENT to support your claims that these posters are what you say they are.

Just because the group being accused of bigotry are not white rednecks, don’t mean they aren’t rednecks all the same; indeed the worst the nation’s ever seen, and apparently right from the most uneducated street thug through to the community’s leaders and tertiary-educated.

This is a shocking state of affairs to which you ignore in your utter ethnocentrism. What else but ethnocentrism (and fascism) could make others appear immoral for simply discussing the abuse targeted directly at them?

It is a shocking state of affairs when one has to say: Pretend I am a self-critical Lebanese or Muslim Australian.

But it seems, as was the case with P Hanson’s comments on ATSIC being deemed unacceptable, that race etc., really do matter to some people, for any criticism directed at members of their community from non-members just for some pathetic reason must be “racist”! Utterly pathological!

You need to MOVE BEYOND ETHNICITY

INEB

Lets be clear about a few things. Nothing I advocated is illegal or immoral. I advocated 'self defense' and I've gone into the legal side of this to know what I'm on about. You can woffle on about 'brown shirts and vigilantes all you like :) but its water off a ducks back to me. Same with Racism charges, absolutely no impact on me, because I know where I stand, and have no delusions about 'my mob's' racial superiority whatsoever. This is about law and order and survival. It happens in this case to be linked to certain social factors which are also linked to race/religion, such is life.

I guess my 'attitude' goes back to the first time in my life when I was terrorized. I've felt that sinking sick feeling of absolute and utter helplessness and utter and complete terror in the face of people who I honestly thought were going to kill me. I had just turned 16, and had never been away from home. Without going into details, let's just say that I saw and experienced beatings, plenty of blood,humiliation, torure and the whole gammit if abuse. The silly thing about it was, if we (my intake) had become organized, it would not have happened. We just didn't 'realize' it at the time.

Self defense, on a personal level or an organized level is not illegal. Are u suggesting it is immoral ? I suggest you read up on the law, and where I have departed from it, please let me know.
Don't use emotive terminology like 'brownshirts' to attack a well founded and legal position.

It seems you are unable to differentiate between 'levels' of posture.
You don't see anything in between the 'lambs to the slaughter' and the 'brownshirts'. Well, newsflash, you only speak English today because of a very well disciplined and well trained army of Charles Martel at Tours in 732 where he stopped the orgy of pillaging and destruction by the expansion of Islam.

You need to keep on taking that medication :) as I'm often told.

Jolanda

The only problem with your statement "... as I see it is that in Australia you can burn the flag, bully people and be a total thug and it is okay and you are even protected by the Government" is that you have lumped several things together.

The burning the flag is a symbolic gesture and shouldn't be illegal. We should be mature enough to accept it. If one feels angry about a country... burn the flag to let off steam ... it doesn't hurt anyone it is just a flag! Stealing a flag is already a crime as is burning one without the owners permission.

Bullying people and being a thug are totally different, they should be and already are outlawed where it can be proven. Again the thuggish behaviour of mobs & gangs in Sydney on all sides were illegal and the police are rightly tracking the culprits down.

If gangs are threatening people then they should be rounded up and charged. Perhaps a new serious charge of threatening to harm (if it doesn't already exist) should be introduced to cover the alleged threats of rape and threats to bash people. Afterall no-one should be
ever be allowed to threaten to harm another person.

I totally agree with you that whistleblowers take a great risk and they should be protected by the law much more vigorously than they are now.

Part 1

I do not agree with Salam. Multiculturalism has serious flaws and people can now see that. MC separates the community into groups or tribes, each vying for government grants and their place in the pecking order. Put simply, MC is a racket, introduced by politicians, giving taxpayers money to ethnic groups in exchange for votes.

Anyone who doubts this should look at the grants given out by the NSW Community Relations Commission. We spend millions on MC and it should not even be called MC. I call it pseudo-multiculturalism because it does not allow many to exercise some aspects of their cultures. For example, we do not allow bullfights or cockfights, child marriages, paediphilla, incest, arranged marriages, honour killings or polygamy. Some foodstuffs, such as dog meat and dolphin are either unlawfull or unacceptable by the community. Yet, such are part of other cultures.

Our culture is derived from the UK, Our laws, education, military, governance,language, religions and social standards come from the UK, with some modifacations made to suit our climate and a more casual way of life. Cultures are constantly evolving and certainly post war immigration has brought changes, but the foundations of our culture remains unchanged.

We have been a multiracial society since 1788, but we should not be termed multicultural.

Politicians gain the most from our pseudo-multicultralism as they chase the "ethnic vote".

Opinionated2. You see thats where there is alot of misunderstanding. Bullying as such is not against the law and that is why police go easy on thugs and that is is why we are in the state that we are in.

It is also not against the law to discriminate against someone out of malice or spite. So if you dont like someone you are by law permitted to bully them and treat them unfairly. It only becomes against the law if the victim can prove that it is because of their race but the Discrimination Board will not investigate complaints unless they have been provided with proof at the outset that it was because of your race .

Treating someone in a matter that is obviously unfair and obviously wrong is not enough evidence for the Discrimination board to investigate the matter for discrimination. Unless you can prove that it was because of race and you need either something in writing to say it was because race or you need to have had witnessess hear them say that what they were doing to you were because of your race you are not protected and your complaints are ignored.

It shouldn't matter who you are, if you are treated unfairly and discriminated against regardless of whether you are Australian, Lebanese, Aboriginal, Spanish, Italian etc., you should have avenues to have your greivances addressed and you should be entitled to protection.

There are alot of very unhappy people on all sides. Discrimination based on malice or spite should be against the Law regardless of who you are or your social standing.

Did you know that it is not against the Law to discriminate against those that are seen as gifted or superior. How is that fair?

Part 2

MC was foisted on us in the 1970s but while we were expected to accomodate others, no mention was made of the more unsavoury aspects of some cultures. There is more to other cultures than folk dancing, dragon parades, beer festivals and exotic foods.

The anti-social problems we are experiancing with Muslim males is cultural and has arisen in many places. Not only Cronulla. People who have daily contact with Muslim males mostly talk about them in negative terms. Teachers, nurses, police, ambulance, shop assistants, receptionists and other use such word as rude, offensive, dictatorial and beligerent to describe Muslim males. Yet I have not heard complaints regarding Muslim females.

Many European countries are also having serious problems of a similar nature with Muslim males. We need to take heed of events and abandon MC in favour of integration.

Integration does not mean we all have to be the same, but that we live together and thingk ov ourselve as Australian firstly.

We should review what information is give to propective migrants about our society, laws and standards. It seems most unreasonable if we simply say we are a MC society and then expect them to "toe the line" on arrival.

One wonders what information we gave to the parents of the Lebanese gangs, before they immigrated.

Salam, Ifran and others seem to be in denial regarding the cultural problems of Muslim males, but it has to be confronted. Otherwise, in time, it will worsen and ther will be the possibility of restrictions on Muslim immigretion.