Abe

Thank your for your article, but I don't want a "new Australia" - prefer the old one, Guess that's an impossibility?

Leigh - thanks for your post

Cheers
Kay

Ive enjoyed reading the article and posts. I am still looking for answers on: How the communities can be reconciled? We do not have problems with other communities as some have already suggested. Perhaps they are non-adaptive to compromise and change. Because if this the case they should not have imigrated here in the first place.

How many people exist in this Muslim community that feel offended by the Australian community? There may be 300,000 Muslims in Australia but are all of them offended or only 1,500?

Perhaps Australia could run programmes like in the 1950-60 of educating new arrivals on understanding Australian ways. They do not have to accept that to be normal is go to the Pub with the workers for a beer, not all drinks served at Pubs are alcoholic, but to socialise with work mates is normal.

Philo,

"Muslims offended"?

They come here and want Christmas celebrations banned. They come here and take over whole sections of Sydney. My hard earned goes down the centrelink drain.

Who controls the heroin trade?

Who gets 55 years years in gaol for the most perverse acts ever committed in this country?

Who burns Australian flags?

The Spanish, German, Polish, Serbs, Croats, British, French,Italian, Greek etc all assimilate.

Who was involved in the riots in Paris?

Who kills school children?

Who is it that can't get arrested for burning down a church hall? Can't get arrested for bashing Anglos up

"Offend" indeed!!

Philo

I doubt there will be reconciliation, as a religious person yourself can you imagine having to suppress xtianity or important aspects of it? Or me being an atheist being forced into religion, these things won’t happen freely. The basic difference is a secular and non-secular society, they just can’t co-exist.

I think we will naturally progress as Europe has and start to deport, make western cultural legislations etc. In time it is obvious muslims will not be welcome to immigrate into any western or non-islamic country.

We need to watch for claims to poly-marriage rights and welfare payments, any hint of sharia legislation such as interest free loans to muslims. Also islamic bodies on government advisory committees.

Can you really believe the majority is happy with the outcomes of Cronulla, 200 new Lebanese lifeguards as a solution to 2 weeks of social terrorism from them and massive slander on Australia as racist?

This is our country, we will make the laws.

What I think will be our saving grace, is islam is trying to hard to push itself. I have heard from European friends there is now even a split in the left, as in many lefties are moving away from supporting irrational islamic rights while still maintaining their left beliefs.

All islam has as support really is the PC, and that’s rapidly dying. Can you imagine a PC free world? Islam would fall with in a year.

Now heres a classic and current example… and a good laugh!

“In Britain, defence attorneys for radical Islamic preacher Abu Hamza have hit on a novel approach. They’re arguing that Hamza’s hate speech and incitement to murder cannot possibly be criminal—because it comes straight from the Koran.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-2001006,00.html

It is not about religion in itslef - it is about the clash of Islamic culture with Australian society.

The Main stream Media would have you beleive what happened at Cronulla was a "race riot",... no I don't think so -

In the crowd at Cronulla train station there were a significant number of Pacific Islanders (NZ, Tonga etc). I had been told by a friend that the Pacific Islanders had come down to the beach at Cronulla to "support the Australian way of life" -

that means there were white Anglo-Saxon Australians side by side with black Islanders UNITED against the constant thuggery and intimidation and hatred that young men of middle eastern heritage have for this country and its people. It is CLEAR that the colour of ones skin had nothing to do with it - IT IS ABOUT A CULTURE that comes down to the beach and threatens to rape white girls if they don't 'cover up', and swarms in with car loads of 'cousins' and other SCUM if their numbers are threatened.

LET US NOT FORGET THE PICTURES OF THE CCTV out of Cronulla - TWO HUNDRED plus middle eastern men doing what they have been doing continuously in the Sutherland Shire and South Western Sydney for 10 -15 years - and THIS IS WHY THE PEOPLE OF AUSTRALIA HAVE RISEN UP - both BLACK AND WHITE AUSTRALIANS!!

Hi Little Agreeable Birdy,

I understand where you are coming from and agree partially with what you have said... I would like to highlight that I said young people need to be loved... not mollycoddeled and wrapped in cotton wool..... you made an assumption that I meant that love involved parents being soft with their children. That was not at all what I envisaged. You are correct in stating that young people need boundaries.

As a relatively young person myself (25) whom in the past has worked as a counsellor with young people who self harm and have suicidal ideation, I can strongly say, YES young people need boundaries and discipline, but that needs to be combined with respect, flexibility and love. Young people have nothing to model their own actions on, other than what they see around them - if Australias young people are 'wayward' it is only a reflection of their mentors and adults in society. I fully agree with you that Australian society has become self centred, not to mention materialistic, racist, homophobic and so forth.

And as for having a possible rapist live next door to me, I might already and would not know. Regardless of race, religion or culture I do not agree with criminal behaviour, and would not wish to expose anyone to it. You are making as assumption that a higher number of 'criminals' are entering our population than are already here, dont forget Australia was founded with convicts.


I sure hope that we never need to seek refuge in another country, who would accept us after our prev and current behaviour towards immigrants and refugess?