Hi all

Martin ibn Warriq (posted 1:43:10 PM 18/1/06)
I confused by your opening statement that "Bin Laden and Khomeini are good Muslims.". It's inconsistent with the remainder of your posting. Maybe it was the first few words meant I missed you initially?. The 'Spengler' article is revealing, especially the quote:
"It is universally known among scholars that alternative texts of the Qur'an have been discovered in various archaeological sites - something of an embarrassment for the Archangel Jibril .."

Coach (posted 2:08:21 PM 18/1/06)
Keep on saying it like it is!

Fellow_Human (posted 3:22:38 PM 18/1/06)
I responded previously in my post @ 4:35:08 PM 26/1. I acknowledge that the Qur'an & Sunnah are compulsory scriptures & that the Ahadith are the words of Mohammad's associates, relatives & later scholars. My instruction was that the 'inspired' word of Allah only came in Arabic. Do you have a different opinion on that claim?

Sapper_K9 (posted 4:52:43 PM 28/1/06)
Your comments & the tone of your language only exposes who you are - ill-informed & self-righteous.
Being unfamiliar with some of the contents of your posting I sent of some copies to several academics around Australia for their appraisal. Don't be too worried though. Several of them weren't Christian. One was anti-Christian, though a friend. The replies were consistent. One quote might suffice, being:
"Hi xxxx (aka LAB),
This guy does not know what he is talking about. That is why he has put up a facade of academia. Do not answer a fool according to his folly."
The respondent isn't a Christian because he would have known not to call you "a fool" - it's contrary to Matt 5:22.
I didn't take his advice, not to respond, only because I didn't wish you to become more conceited than you apparently already are. [Everyone look at his post.]

Meredith (posted 1:04:49 PM 29/1/06)
Thankfully, in most cases. I just wish that the non-believing mathematicians would read the Scriptures & do a probability study analysis on Christ being who He claimed to be. It is irrefutable once done. Amazing!

Cheers all

kristos,

"what culture"? The point being it is a "multi-culture". That is not culture.

The qusetion is: "Can the grievances of Anglo Australian and Australian Muslim communities be reconciled?"

This is dealing with attitude and behaviour not tolerated by each side. There are critical cultural values being expressed in the conflict between the communities.

Example: One wants women to completely cover as Muslim women otherwise they are fair game for prostitution; the other wants the right to expose their bodies on the beach for sun and pleasure withour crude sexual comments and threats. This is one difference in values that confronts the two comunities.

Where is the point of reconciliation if both want these values as a right? One sees reconciliation as surrender of the other to their views.

Hi all

Kristos (posted 9:53:39 PM 30/1/06)
Just missed your 'new' posting as I responded at 10:24:23PM 30/1/06.
If you mean 'minority' (nominal) Muslims, then I'd possibly say "no". They may feel disenfranchised from all groups. That doesn't mean that they don't socialise. Like anyone else though, they seek people with common interests. But, they avoid discussion about religion - though I've engaged some.
I've attempted some reconciliation & dialogue - "Mornings with Kerri-Anne" was one such event. But it got waylaid by a 'hidden' agenda when George NEGAS & Rev (misnomer) James HAIRE agreed with Kerri-Anne that all religions should "throw away their text & just love each other." Keysar TRAD cunningly made 'no comment'.
The violence by Muslim youths possibly stems from 'factions' &/or teachings from within certain mosques.
Interfaith dialogue amongst 'moderates' unfortunately often attracts Muslims like Farouk ALFRAKHANI who 'allegedly' make death threats - "allegedly" because its sub judice.
Still we try!
But the inherent problem is the “An-Nasekh wa Al-Mansoukh” (abrogating & abrogated text) - making discussion difficult, & confounding those who only have a partial knowledge. The focus of the imam is then the next contention.

Philo (posted 5:57:58 PM 31/1/06)
Pretty clear & simple analogy. Doesn't leave much room for negotiation.
I don't know that I particularly want the Pamplona bulls racing through Mrs Macquarie's Chair (Sydney), a fox hunt through Kurrajong or a Haj to Airs Rock either.

Cheers all

The Cronulla riots did not ultimately spring from the attack on the Surf Life Savers. According to Eye witnesses it began with Middle Eastern Muslim males hanging around the toilet block at Cronulla making lewd comments to girls entering the block. When local males challenged them about their lewd comments a fight broke out and others were called resulting in a brawl. Then text messages were sent to residents of the area to meet on the weekend as a show of strength to intimidate these middle Eastern Males.

The problem is these Lebanese Muslim men see girls bathing and sun tanning as low class sluts and fair prey for their sexual gratification. When they are refused they make threats of violence against these girls. Many of these girls are only 12 - 13 years of age and feel really threatened.

This is an attitude problem that mainly exists in the comunity. Many moderate Muslims find no problem in assimilating and sun bathing like the rest of Australians. The problem exists in Muslim communities where women have a total cover up dress code and their virginity is essential as a marriage vow.

Philo,

"12 or 13 years of age". How have decent people put up with that perverted behaviour?

The truth is slowly emerging.

You do realise Philo by saying that you may be seen as racist. Some people don't like the truth. Ask Nick Griffin. Better still ask a soldier that has returned from Iraq. Ask them about the locals. Not the ones you see on television. I could say it here but I would be banned for eternity.