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Back to Africa : Comments

By Bashir Goth, published 13/1/2006

Bashir Goth rues the day that white man settled in Africa.

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LEO welcome to OLO !

"Might" does not make right, but it does make the laws :)

Might is also the main determining factor in the status quo in pretty much every country including Australia. Advancing into new territory is often seen as manifest destiny. (quite wrongly of course) As a Christian, I often use the little verse "All have sinned" and in relation to the expansion of nations, colonization resource exploitation border/territorial wars etc, they indeed have.

The Japanese denuded Korean forests for timber when they were the colonizing power.(leaving their own in tact)
The USA was just as 'sinful' as the Japanese at Pearl Harbour, when they sent gunboats with Commodore Perry around 1854 to force Japan to open up for trade. The USA is sinful in trying to remove Labors clause about evergreening patents in our free trade agreement.
Mark Vaile 'sinned' when he deceptively stated "We have the protection of the Patent system and medicines will not INcrease in price" (the fact is, they wont DEcrease either if patents can be evergreened and generic drugs are kept out)

So, when it comes to 'sin' there is plenty to go around.

The principle demonstrated by the repentance of Zachaeus when Jesus passed by, is a good guide of how to resolve past sin (where practicable) "To those I defrauded, I restore to them fourfold"
We can't give back 4 Australia's to the indigenous people, but we sure COULD give them unpaid wages and plenty of interest.

I don't really see evidence of 'cultural or racial superiority' here. I think you are misreading if u do. What u do see though is a passionate defense of "OUR" culture simply because its ours.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 15 January 2006 2:27:40 PM
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Thanks for the Welcome Boaz David,

I'm not attempting to be misleading and to take you up on your last point in which you state - "don't really see evidence of 'cultural or racial superiority' here. I think you are misreading if u do. What u do see though is a passionate defence of "OUR" culture simply because its ours".

From what I understand you are implying that a pan-Australian culture exists and that this is shared culture that cuts across a variety of ethnicities. Is this what you are saying? Is this a defence of a flexible or inflexible monoculturalism?

If we accept the thesis that monoculturalism does have a history and had very diverse conditions for its emergence then surely this emergence came from a type of multiculturalism at some point. Is the argument toward monoculturalism denying this same history?

Peace.
Posted by LEO, Sunday, 15 January 2006 6:47:23 PM
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The basis of Australian culture rests in the principle:
All persons are equal.

Any one who assumes or acts as if they are superior by a condescending attitude because of authority, race, education, religion etc will soon be cut down or exorcised from mainstream society. This happens in the workplace, sport, and community shared events. Just listen to the conversations at work when "know it all" bosses lord it over workers - there is soon conflict. It is a matter of assimilation to be equal even if more educated. There are subtle nuances that are observed in attitudes that demonstrate equality.

We are in this world together for the benefit of all and not for ourselves.
Posted by Philo, Sunday, 15 January 2006 7:26:31 PM
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Beautifully written, Bashir. Thank you! I can fully understand you wanting to reclaim your nation and return it to its former state. Even if it were possible for you to shut your gates to Europeans though, I agree with other posters here that it is doubtful a return to simpler times could ever be made to work. Too many Africans have succumbed to the Western model and are as addicted now as we are to "the modern beads of slavery". I doubt too that the West would ever relinquish its interests in Africa's resources and its potential markets.

Some well thought-out comments, Boaz-David, but I couldn't help thinking your tone at times was somewhat patronising. Your position of cultural superiority tends to blind you to the good in other cultures. Western culture is not the pinnacle of enlightenment you and others claim it to be. For a start its rampant devouring of resources is totally unsustainable. On its current course many would argue it is more likely headed for self destruction rather than the glory days you seem to imagine.

"Black is only important when the substance is oil." A great line Craig and spot on.
Posted by Bronwyn, Sunday, 15 January 2006 11:43:50 PM
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Bronwyn,
Another "beautifully written" post from you. Whay an interesting concept "the modern beads of slavery" . Re DB I find I agree more with him, than I disagree, however on this one I disagree, and agree with you that our civilisation is not the pinnacle.

Even though I am a Catholic, I think the religious pinnicle is Buddism, a peacefull, tranquil religion, suited to ongoing peace and harmony.

As for a civilised role model the Scandanavian countries like Sweeden, Norway etc, take a lot of beating, in my humble opinion.

I have hope every time I notice a post with your name on it, I agree with all your posts so far, they are inspirational, please keep up the great work.
Regards, Shaun
Posted by SHONGA, Monday, 16 January 2006 4:30:53 AM
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Surely this article is taking the piss? "Death from Malaria was just a thing that happened like rain"?

This article should be in the next edition of Britannica as an example of the myth of the Noble Savage.

Actually, on re-reading the last 2 paragraphs, this guy is definitely taking the piss...

"We will remove all the white man's vestiges such as borders and land ownership; and just like the old days, we will move around the continent and let our animals graze wherever the rain falls and pastures abound. We will die and be buried in our soil and our bloated bodies will no longer be washed on foreign beaches."

A modest proposal indeed. Bravo sir.
Posted by Yobbo, Monday, 16 January 2006 7:34:41 AM
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