tubley, I missed responding to one of your sillier posts, very remiss of me.

>>The bloke next door owns a house and rents to another - one loses, one gains<<

How does that work? Who is the winner and who is the loser here? Are you saying that no-one should be allowed to rent property? Have you any idea how many people would be homeless as a result? Wow!

>>do you mean the initial white colonisation of what is now the USA? Or did you mean the American cultural imperialism...<<

Neither. You stated "the worst places on earth are those that England has been the longest." The Pilgrim Fathers settled in the US in the early seventeenth century. That's a pretty long time, and not even you can claim the outcome was equivalent to that of African states.

Actually, tubs, it is difficult not to feel a little sorry for you.

Nowhere in the history of the world as we know it will you find the sort of everybody-gets-equal-shares society that you obviously dream about.

On the contrary, throughout history we have seen constant battles between haves and have-nots, between religions, between countries and between next-door-neighbours. It may have something to do with human evolution, the instinct to survive and the instinct to protect.

There is an inevitability, though, that what is successful today will be less successful tomorrow, and what is struggling for survival today will blossom and grow in the future. Think of the rise and fall of empires - Greek, Roman, Spanish, Microsoft - and take consolation that at some point in the future even the Irish might become successful at something.

Nevertheless, your grasp of the economics of the world is weak, and trying to wish it away with idealistic dreaming is not a good look for adult human beings, even junior school teachers. Kids enjoy the hand-wringing bit - it might even be an essential part of their social awareness education - but it wears badly with age.

Tubley
“I think the greatest human failure is that of selfish want and desire”

“wealth of our own country to that of many others who still live in poverty”

“I personally see no need for such indulgences”

That is a bunch of woosie motherhood statements and weasel words strung together with the sickly sweetness of socialist faux-sincerity and pseudo-compassion.

Your entire post is drizzled in the self-righteous twaddle and sanctimony of the self-conscious under-achievers who hide their jealous natures and personal shortcomings behind the façade of pretending that -

those than can and do should not be allowed to benefit for their own efforts more than those who cannot and don’t.

As for “I am very skeptical however, of your ethics”

I rely on those I have personal and professional dealings with to assess my “ethics” and have no scepticism regarding yours, you have none, just platitudes.

Oh “exploitation” of an idea – it is common expression for implementing the idea. Just more of your infantile wordplay.

Pericles agree your post. I wonder if tubby could tell us, from the following example

I want to live in a house, not sure whether a particular suburb will suit so do not want to buy one, you have a vacant property in that suburb and would like to find a suitable tenant. You end up renting it to me on a 6 month lease, at a rate we agree.

Who loses and who gains?

You rent out your property at a rate acceptable to you and I have a house to live in, without making a huge financial commitment, at a rate I am prepared to pay.
In my book, we both win.

My greater concern is he might be brainwashing primary school kids with this twaddle too. No wonder private schools are so popular, you get to see who is teaching your kids and choosing whether to let them on not

You've really crossed the line now Col. How dare you profess to telling me how you think I do my job. I teach only what I am required to teach by law.

My phone number is 0439 451 397 should you wish to discuss anything further with me as I refuse to be publicly insulted by you anymore. Any more offensive posts from you will be duely reported.

Incidentally I do teach in a private school. This time I shall keep my promise in not responding to you on this forum - the only reason I recommenced replying to your posts is that I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you could actually contribute something without the need to insult people. It's an opinion - I always respect people who provide a viewpoint different from mine without having to insult them.

Meredith,

I totally agree with you. But I do not support Trad. I just said that I will receive my grinding just as he will. Please feel free to email me at tubley@yahoo.com as I would love to hear more about your ideas.

Pericles

No need to feel sorry for me in the least. I never expected total economic equality to be a reality among all individuals and nations on this planet. All I suggested was a narrowing of the gap between extreme wealth and extreme poverty. Unfortunately there are a lot more people suffering the latter. Save your sorrow for those who need it – there are plenty who do.

tubley, you have decined to defend any of your wild assertions about winners and losers, I can only assume you regret having exposed your ignorance in such a fashion.

Mandating "equality" can never be an answer. In order to create economic value, there needs to be some form of incentive in the form of reward, if you are in a capitalist society, or punishment for failure if you are in a totalitarian state. Neither system is perfect, but there has been a general understanding in the developed world that exchanging value in the form of trade is a more intelligent way in which to proceed.

There can never be an incentive for people to share everything on a global basis, it simply is not a realistic ambition. In fact, if you were able to "share the wealth" equally across all people in all countries, we would all be living in poverty anyway.

Just think for a moment, if you can, how you would arrange such a world in terms of i) what work would people perform, ii) who would pay them, and iii) how you would prevent the whole system from collapsing.

Spend a few moments in the real world, and you might understand why people who actually think about these things can get cross with your wishy-washy meanderings.

Sorry Tubley,

I misread your comma, yup you didnt align with Keyser Trad. Thanks for your email addy, i sent you a note.

Tubley “You've really crossed the line now Col. How dare you profess to telling me how you think I do my job.….” Blah blah.

Trust me tubley, I dare, I always dare, it is who I am and why I get paid for what I do (reward is the return for risk, socially as well as economically).

Tubley, I spend some time as a corporate strategist, both for my own direct interests and for other companies. I have some exposure to matters economic. You have repeatedly “crossed the line” by “professing to telling me how you think I do my job” with your inane and incompetent criticisms of real world economic facts and their substitution with your emotionally contrived motherhood statements.

You like to throw your bullying attitude around but cannot handle it when someone stands up to you and you get fair and square in the nuts.

Report all the offensive posts you want, your petulant stand and posturing countenance neither impresses nor intimidates me, school yard bullies abound and are easily smacked down.

Pericles
I agree entirely with your post. When the horizon is defined by the fence of the school yard, a distorted perception of real-world matters is likely. Whilst most in such a situation know their limits, some, the less gifted, continue out of school to display their profound ignorance by pronouncing their own unsustainable and half baked pet theories as reasoned argument and expected social objectives.

Slapping down these half baked theories is almost a full time posting job.