I suggested before, multiculturaism is a halfway house to assimilation.

"Integration" has never worked because it depends on the continued existence of diverse groups - like catholic versus protestant IRishmen and women living in an atmosphere of "integration".

Assimilation requires the virtual destruction of an original group or groups into a single homogeneous nation. Ultimately, it is the only thing which "works" because it requires social divisions to be disgarded. Morally it cannot be "hurried" or "forced" (Queen Isobella style).

Hence the superiority of a secular state - it avoids any merit being occassioned to the zealots who prance around spitting hate and venom in the name of religion.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Easier said than done. If Muslims are wishy-washy, middle-of-the-road, not-so serious, live and let live, back-slider, non-practicing Muslims - then yes, Muslims can fit into Western culture.

However if they want to be “good” observant Muslims, and really follow the precepts of Islam – well, then the answer is NO. Islam is incompatible with Western values of democracy, equality and free speech. To think otherwise is to play the fool.

As I have pointed out so often, Muslims cannot be honest about their religion and their dear prophet. To get along with Muslims and “respect” them, you must also be dishonest about these things. You must ignore the hate and anger in their writings and you must ignore the many vile acts and often vulgar life of Mohammud. Radical Muslims kill, moderate Muslims make excuses.

To get along with Muslims you must be willing to apply different (inferior) standards to their speech and conduct; and pretend that their faith, laws, customs and practices (particularly in Muslim dominated countries) are admirable and deserving of respect. You must be willing to make excuses and accept generalized, gross violations of human rights as minor aberrations by a few insignificant individuals. You must be willing to accept words and actions that, if practiced by individuals of western culture, would be resoundingly condemned in a minute. This is a form of cultural racism in a way - a bigotry of low expectations if you wish.

This use of different standards for different people is the essence of multiculturalism. Well actually, the basic ideology advocated by Multiculturalists is that Western culture is evil and everything else is great. You may criticize any and everything about European heritage and history (fine with me!), but you must not only overlook the shortcomings and failures of other societies and not even talk about them, you must even go so far as to distort facts and ignore history to make them feel good (not a good idea!). That is Multiculturalism.

Kactuz

I have been reading about the “riots” in Sidney. Such dishonesty and stupidity!

First of all the media cannot be honest. Why not say “Muslims” instead of using words like “people of Middle Eastern origin,” “Middle Eastern appearance” (The Age), “Arabic-speaking Australians” (Daily telegraph), “it appeared the men were of Middle Eastern descent” and “Middle Eastern origin” (The Australian), immigrants, and so on….

Second, anybody who attacks people without reason – and this goes for whites, Muslims and anybody else - is scum! Period. No excuses.

I notice press seems to put most of the blame on “white” Australians, even if they note that people going to that beach have frequently been harassed by some unidentified group of people for reasons unknown. Who can they be?

This is the fruit of Multiculturalism. I hope our liberal multiculturalists friends feel proud of what they have done. This issue about the beaches is nothing! Wait a few more years and see what the Islamists have in store for you! Going to the beach will be the least of your worries.

This is why we need to be honest with our Muslims friends, so that they clearly understand that we understand that truth about Islam. It is an intolerant and violent religion.

John aka Kactuz aka Kactuzki

Tieran

For balance and fairness and to avoid accusations of bias, perhaps you'd like to post the same verses in Arabic.

Con well said ,you speak for most Australians, sad times ahead for this country and its clear we can not aviod them.
My youth was spent in Sydney working with people from all over the world.
I was taken into homes and hearts and to this day have the greatest respect for those great people, not one of them questioned our lifestyle or in any way our countrys culture.
That however was the 1970,s different times different people.
Just a handfull but the problem exists.