Shayla,Redneck is not an uneducated fool.He just lacks tact and doesn't know about political correctness.Talking in genetic terms there are certain races that don't perform to our standards of intellectual rigor and economic competance.Individually we all know people who are exceptions to the rule and there in lies the dilemma.
In the realm of academia they portray individuals of the exceptional minority racial groups as the norm,when clearly they are not.There will always be exceptions to the rule.

If we look at the crime statistics and social security dependance of certain races,there is a definite correlation with race and their propensity to be a burden to our society.

Why do we continue to punish ourselves in the name of idealistic naievity?

If we are going to have prosperous country,we need ethical, intelligent people with a positive work ethic or end up with the economic and cultural abyss that many have come here to escape.People tend to bring the culture of depravity and chaos with them,because they have at some stage failed to confront it.

Shayla

I do not agree with capital punishment. I have never ever said that I agree with Redneck and others who want death as a penalty for any criminal act ( and have you forgotten that he did commit a criminal act?). I do not agree with killing or murder for any reason.

With empathy and compassion, I haved nursed people affected by drug substances for the past 30 years.

The last young person I nursed was 18 years of age. He was totally psychotic as a result of: bundy rum++, cigarettes ++, daytura ++, amphetamines ++, and of course, organic yandi X 6 times usual strength of THC. I doubt that you have my experience with young people in this regard. If you do, please let me know. I will be very interested.

I was trying to show you that you cannot make assertions about others without substantive evidence. All you were doing was slinging insults at Redneck. That is no way to win a debate. You claim that he is uneducated, yet you do not seem to be able to engage in debate.

I feel sad for Ng and his family. No-one deserves to die by hanging. It is deplorable.

And Shayla, getting back to the issue. Do you think that his barbaric hanging by the Singaporian Government will make any difference to drug dealers? I doubt it. And I doubt that drug mules, such as Ng and the Bali 9 would be feeling any empathy or compassion if they had not been caught in their diabolical behaviours.

They were all bringing illicit drugs into Australia - to kill young Aussies.

Regards
Kay

Hi Kay.

Its Shayla.
I would just like to apologise for my comments, i just been feeling alot of sadness and anger about this whole story and case.
Just some things that Redneck others said didnt agree with me and yes i did say 'two wrongs dont make a right' so i shouldnt be lashing back at him or anyone just cos i dont agree with their opinions, my apologies.

Its just i really feel that by killing some one , it wont fix the problem. There will always be drugs out there and there will always be some one smuggling it into our countries and some one will always be there to buy it and use it.

No one should be killed especially when the punishment doesnt fit the crime, same goes with the bali 9. They shouldnt be executed either. No one has a right to kill another human being. Right or wrong.
By punishing them to life imprisonment, that would already make them suffer enough in my opinion.

But anyways, nothing can be done now as Nguyen van is going to die in a few hours and the bali 9 will most likely be awaiting the same fate that was bestowed upon Van. I really feel for each and everyone of them. Because To me, execution and robbing some one of their life (right or wrong) is not punishment, its murder.

Kay,

Also, yes i do know and have had experience what drugs do to others.
My older brother was a former heroin addict and user. The hell that it brang to my family and to witness and see my brother like that was just terrible. But he didnt stop there, he took all drugs u could imagine and ended up being a schizophrenic and had to be hospitalised at Warratah House Mental institute in CAmpbelltown Hospital here in Sydney. But luckily he has now gotten better and is having a second chance at life to be a better person.

When all this happened, never once did my family and i blame the drug dealers or drug mules. It was simply the stupidity and free will of my brother to go and buy and use these drugs in the first place. No one forced him to buy it or shoot it up his arms.
So to be honest he had no one to blame but himself.
But luckily he got a second chance to fix his life and his mistakes.
Sadly, Nguyen Van wont get to have that privilidge.

Shayla,

I read you posts and understand your emotional involvement in this debate but saying, " never once did my family and i blame the drug dealers or drug mules. It was the stupidity and free will of my brother to go buy and use these drugs in the first place. No-one forced him to buy or shoot it up his arms", although true, completely ignores the fact that the high-availability and low-cost of heroin (and other drugs) is an enormous factor in what happened to your brother and many like him.

I've had 5 or 6 experiences of losing friends, family members and even a mentor (Brett Whiteley) to heroin and am convinced that the easy availability makes choosing to take drugs when one is vulnerable or depressed, a more likely option. Take away the supply and people will be more inclined to face up and deal with their problems and issues, giving them closure on things that trouble them instead of hiding in an artifical coccoon as a way of masking their pain.

And for all of the people that I have seen buried from this, never once did I see flowers from there dealers saying, "Sorry, we wish we'd known you under better circumstances." They just don't care about the havoc they reak on addicts, families and society in general, so I tend to agree with Redneck and others that we should show them exactly the same indifference.

And, for what it's worth, Van Nguyen certainly was no "innocent victim" caught in some terrible mix up trying to save his brother from evil baddies, he was familiar enough with the drug trade to be able to hook up with some 'Big Fish' to arrange his evil mission. I would not be surprised to find out in time that he had previously been a heroin dealer at one time or another. Please don't swallow whole all this 'he was a good boy playing saviour' clap trap, it's highly dubious at best.

I do agree that a prayer for his mother would be right, at the moment.

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Yep, I can agree to that, but we better brace ourselves for the emotion of the hero’s, those staunch Drug advocates, the mediocrity club, the people that are bigger dopes when they are off the substance then become mediocrity dopes when on it, there are 9 more to be shot in Indonesia. I don’t think I can handle another media emotional hero day for the drug runner’s exhibition.Clever ploy in humane psychology though, for those who do not realise the Lefts tactics, tugg harder and harder on the heart strings.Singapore: This is more fitting than waisting 75 thousand dollars a year to keep the scum in our Inconvenient Hotels some call prisons.