MP links Nguyen, RU486 debate

December 01, 2005
A LIBERAL MP has tried to link tomorrow's execution in Singapore of Australian Van Tuong Nguyen to the debate over the abortion pill RU486.

Pro-life Tasmanian Michael Ferguson has accused fellow MPs of double standards on the two issues.

"It's breathtaking hypocrisy for some people in the Australian parliament to be fighting to save one young man's life, while at the same time fighting for a drug which will allow the death penalty to be imposed on unborn babies," he said.

"Certainly in the new year when the abortion debate begins anew, I think that we ought again to be reminded of this week in Australian parliament, of this week in international relations, when people were fighting for the sanctity of life."

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Opposition women's affairs spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek said it is disgusting for Mr Ferguson to link a tragedy like Nguyen's execution to a debate over the availability of a drug.

"For anyone to try and profit from what's happening tomorrow for a short-term point score like that, I think is just tasteless in the extreme," she said.

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Hmmm... perhaps Tanya to denigrate Ferguson rather than sticking to the debate is 'tasteless and disgusting'; you'd think¿

So- given that one guilty dealer/mule/smuggler and thousands of innocent children are both to sentenced to death and executed => accepted facts for Australia December 2005

A rather clear and simple question; how do you - Tanya - resolve the extreme 'sanctity of life' contradiction¿

{Note:-
1. No points will be given for 'those whom you think disgusting'.

2. Take as given - carrying drugs is 'tasteless in the extreme' & killing innocent children defies moral and ethical cognition.

3. In your own wêds pliza... )

REDNECK,

OH redneck. You poor un-educated fool. All i can say to your comments is this.. Your saying that asians hates australians? Well, if they happen to do so.. i can only think of one reason why.. and all the fingers are pointed at the likes of YOU! U racist RECNECK!
Get a life and some education before u start rambling on like a mouth resembling a womans genitals.

Shayla

After you offensive post I am amazed that you have not been sent to the "sin bin".

" ... a mouth resembling a womans [sic] genitals" says a lot about your education, ability to engage in sound argument, and your obvious dislike of the female population. Correction: " ... a mouth resembling a woman's genitalia" is the correct grammar. Whatever the case, as a female, I found this to be a most disgusting and offensive remark - and one hardly indicative of sound education.

" ... you poor un-educated [sic] fool". Uneducated is one word. It does not require hyphenation. Calling a person a fool without valid evidence is indeed foolish in itself.

" ... reason why ... ". The reason is why. And why is the reason. Redundancy here.

" ... your [sic] saying that asians [sic] hates [sic] australians [sic]". Did you mean: " ... you're saying that Asians hate Australians"? Note that proper nouns require upper case for the first letter of the word. You are, does not mean your.

I seldom agree with Redneck's assertions. Even so, I know that he does his 'homework' and I do not need to be insulting to have a debate with him.

I suggest that you have another think before calling Redneck uneducated. You are not in a position to challenge another's articulation. You are not aware of sentence structure, the proper use of punctuation, and the correct use of upper and lower case.

The next time I speak with you I will stick to the topic at hand.

Space Cadet you have missed many points.Myself and others have said that Nguyen does not deserve to die,yet you ignore these facts and accuse all of of wanting the death penality.We cannot change the laws of another country.How would you feel if Singapore interferred with our Judicial system?

Don't try to miss represent my clearly articulated ideas,since you only destroy your credibility.

OH MY GOD! KEWLAB,

The thought that u had enough time to sit there and type and tell me all about lower and upper cases and grammar and actually check my spelling mistakes etc.. YOU are sooooooooooooo sad! lol get a life!

Like i said, REDNECK is a uneducated fool. If you agree with him then so are you. But then again, you both may have been educated in a sense that u both have gone to school.
But i guess no amount of education can teach you about compassion , forgiveness, humanity and to have a good heart.

Wether its right or wrong, no one deserves to die.

I pray that Nguyen Van may find peace and i will also pray for his mother that she may find strength and courage.
I will pray to all those lives that was lost to drugs and their loves ones.
But most of all i will be praying for the singaporean government and their judges who condemn this young man to die in a such barbaric and inhumane way. I will also be praying for all you idiots on here who agree to kill another human being. Two wrongs dont make a right and no one is in the position to say some one should or should not die.
God has forgiven Van..i just hope god and van will forgive all of you for your coldness towards another human being.

Like i said, Wether its right or wrong no one deserves to die.
Everyone deserves a second chance in life especially for some one so young. Where is all the compassion, humanity and forgiveness?
Is this what the world has come to? No wonder so many young people like me fall off the rails.

Rest in peace Van.. Your going to a far better place than here.

Arjay,

“Myself and others have said that Nguyen does not deserve to die”

I know. I even noticed in one of your posts that you said that he didn’t deserve to die.

But when you said…

“Order,freedom and prosperity does come at a cost.How many of us really appreciate the sacrifices of those who fought in WW2 for such freedoms under far less sympathetic conditions than Nguyen faces";

…after my responses to the forum members who support capital punishment for drug offenders despite the risk of killing innocents;

...and...

"you saved me the effort" When Be Outrage gave another perspective on the comparison of drug offenders and an attacking foreign millitary...

I naturally assumed that you were implying that it is worth the risk of killing innocents (not drug offenders) for freedom and prosperity. I fair assumption I think (It seems we are both starting to misread eachother).

But if that’s not what you were getting at then either you hadn’t read my posts or you were talking about something completely different.

For the record I completely agree with your comments like…

“The younger generation should know that the few remaining Diggers from WW2 just shake their heads in disbelief and disgust at the degeneration of our societies standards,morals and ethics”

…I too shake my head at these things all the time. And if my posts have made me seem pro-drug, then it is only because I refute the radical “kill ‘em all!” attitude of members like Redneck and Leigh.