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By Shakira Hussein, published 18/11/2005Shakira Hussein argues moderate Muslims are as fearful of Muslim terrorists as non-Muslims are.
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Posted by hoppa, Saturday, 19 November 2005 10:18:37 PM
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Posted by hoppa, Saturday, 19 November 2005 10:20:37 PM
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Dear Shoshana
sounds like you had a good trip. What you describe for both yourself and your hosts, is 'cultural' Judaism and Islam, rather than 'strict'. Though, for your oldies, yes it is strict. To be honest, their unwillingness to share a meal with non Jews does indeed represent a lack of assimilation. The more important big picture issue in all of this, which is my major concern, is that small and non growing minorities like Jews are not a threat to our social fabric. I do have some concerns at the objectivity of the Judges who are Jewish on the federal court, if faced with someone such as a well known high profile retailing figure. I also have conerns about the 'group of Sausage software investors tied by culture and blood who live in Caulfield' etc.. I wonder how far that case will go ? :) with Graham Samuels at the helm of ACCC. Lets all wait and see eh. Yes, I'm having a bit of a dig there.. but seriously, a non assimilating culture or group is only a worry when it is growing. The potential for social and political opportunism has been amply demonstrated and I wont repeat it. Shosh.. the recent arrests and near catastrophe of the bomb preparations should be warning enough that we are not incorrect in our assessment of the dangers of Islam. (as opposed to the non danger of the average cultural Muslim with whom you share time and meals) I guess my main point is this. That we retain absolute control of who, and how many and for what reasons, people come to Australa. Only then can we maintain numbers and proportions in managable sizes. Remember what happened to the indigenous Aussies ? People don't really change. People with distinct culture will always seek to re-shape that of the host, whether it be foreign policy or domestic. Examples abound for this. I hope this doesn't sound like a 'rant' as its not meant to be. I hope you have recovered from your trip. Cheers Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 19 November 2005 10:37:33 PM
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Thank you so much for getting in touch. I apologise to other posters for this personal post. I am aware that this is not a personal chat room. My famiy has been distraught searching for around 7 years -- searching for Heidi. Boaz David You are a gem Your phone call was akin to a "tonic". Many thanks.. Adminstrators - my apologies re this personal stuff. I know that this is not a chat room. Even so, please help me stay in contact with Heidi. Our family is distraught. Whatever it is, we will help her. Life is too short We love you Heidi Heidi - your Father is distraught - as is Grandma. Much love Aunt Posted by kalweb, Saturday, 19 November 2005 10:38:36 PM
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Somehow an important point is being missed here, namely that religion is very much a question of geography. 95% of people keep the religion that they were brainwashed with as children. There are many reasons, social acceptance is just one of them. So if you were born in say Iraq, you are probably a muslim, if you were born in Israel, you are probably jewish, if you were born in Italy, you are probably catholic. Had you been born elsewhere, perhaps you would
swear by some other religion :) Within each of these religions, we have fanatics, moderates and secular types. Perhaps there are genetic reasons, why some people are more prone to religious fanaticism then others. Personally I find that I can reason and get on with whatever religion, as long as they accept things as a lifestyle choice, ie. they are not fantatics of whichever religion.... The Catholic who wants to rescue the baby in the condom, the orthodox Jew with the funny hat who swears he/she is gods gift to humanity, or the militant Muslim, who wants to take over the world, are all problems. The answer lies in tolerance and acceptance of religion as no more then a lifestyle choice. Only that way can we all get along... Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 19 November 2005 11:03:04 PM
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Boaz,
Grrrr..I will eat the salad and the chicken? Happy now? Anyway, published my blogg finally, http://musliminsight.blogspot.com/ Interested in your feedback re the copts article. Posted by Fellow_Human, Sunday, 20 November 2005 12:05:29 AM
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http://www.uts.edu.au/new/releases/.../f_section5.pdf
+ 40% of Organized Adult Crime is Middle Eastern (with Lebanese representing 26%) and 43% is Asian (with 16% representing Vietmanese)
+ 39% of Youth Gangs are Asian and 26% is Lebanese.
+ 27% of the time ethnic gangs hang around shopping centers; with 20% hanging out at the cinema or movies.
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/ethnicity-crime/ethnic-ch4.pdf
+ 5 out of every 100 Lebanese will commit a crime.
+ 6 out of every 100 Vietnamese will commit a crime
+ 2 out of every 100 Vietnamese will be a drug dealer
+ 4.5 out of every 100 Turkish will commit a crime
+ Only 3 out of every 100 Australian citizens will commit a crime, and only 0.3 out of 100 will be a drug dealer.
+ Fijians have the highest rape and robbery statistics
+ Lebanese rape at double the rate of Australian Citizens
http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/10635...May00/Crane.htm
+ Figure one well-demonstrates that settlers from Vietnam, Lebanon, Turkey, New Zealand and Oceania/Papua New Guinea are consistently more convicted of crime between the years of 1991-1998 than Australian-born residents by a factor of up to 2.6
+ Immigrants from Vietnam, Lebanon and Turkey do have a higher rate of imprisonment than expected from their numbers in the population