I call upon all Catholics in Australia who intend strapping bombs to themselves and walking into crowded malls to STOP! I call upon all Penticostals who incite hatred against unbelievers to BE SILENT! I call upon all infidels who terrorise Christians to CEASE! Wait a minute; Who have I forgotten who might do such vile acts? Are the Catholics listening? Are the Penticostals listening? Are the Infidels listening?

Philo pastry, suggest U stop the Hate Rant. OK

Read this:

"Cult psychology may help explain why young men become suicide murderers.

Zealots who tend to violence are meant to be easy to spot. That is why the identities of the alleged London bombers are so arresting. All were British born and raised. Most were well educated, showing no signs of religious fervour. Only one appears to have been remotely socially dysfunctional. For those who believe in the stereotyped terrorist as either rabidly fanatical or desperate, illiterate, and oppressed, this superficial normality is mystifying. It is therefore dangerous to reduce this kind of terrorism to an inherent consequence of Islamist extremism."

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/how-to-confront-a-cult-of-terror/2005/07/15/1121415624460.html

Some of us are looking for answers - why don't you give it a try?

Man, wot of lot of nasty Christians on this forum. R there any out there who aren't such a bunch of zealots? Where are the christians who believe in peace, love and tolerance? Wot kind of forum is this? I'm going to bed.

Johnny - well said. You have asserted what I have been thinking for ages. Many of the so-called Christians in this and other threads seem to be very nasty people - certainly not what I understand about Christian behaviour.

I visit these threads to try and gain knowledge and understanding of others - especially people of Islamic faith. I find the whole thing very complex and confusing but I do not sit in judgement. The problem is, the more I read, the more confused I seem to get.

I think it is very sad that so many posters seem to be attacking each other at a personal level. Hardly what I call academic debate.

Have a good sleep mate!

BD/ Philo,

I am happy with my religious beliefs and happy with Christians (Orthodox, Catholics or protestants), I am happy with Jewish friends and do not judge them. I have nothing against anyone who is good to himself, others, abide by the law and respect others.

If you think i am an 'infidel' until I accept your teachings then you are as bad as BinLaden. Islamo fascism and Christian facism are 'brothers in terror'..

AK

Kalweb,

Seems most reasonable people on the forum are saying the same thing:
we should all unite against terrorism.
Few however, are promoting their own version of fascism and rejection of others (ie fighting facism with facism).

You are entitled to ask any question about my faith and I promise to answer to the best of my knowledge and won't get offended (witness BD 'loving' comments :)

Regards to you all,

AK

Dear Kaleb... here is the post I mentioned in the other thread.

Firstly, academic debate, relates to 'facts' not to just 'opinions'.

THE FACTS.

BANU QURAYZA Mass Murder.

Context

Quran 33 "The confederacy" A group of tribes opposed to Islam and Mohammed were confronting him (for the sake of their lives)

An Arab tribe which allied itself with a Jewish Tribe (Qurayza) attacked the Muslims but after defeat (the battle of the Trench) they withdrew, abandoning their Jewish ally.

The Qurayza (the Jews) were beseiged, and after some days surrendered unconditionally.

The Quran speaks of this Surah 33.26 "Some you killed, others you took prisoner"

This specific event is further fleshed out in the Hadith. Where the following points are added:

1/ They were offered the judgement of a Cheif named "Sa'ad" who declared "Kill all the men, enslave the women and children"

2/ Mohammed rejoiced in this "Ah, this is like the judgement of God"

Now, the hadith does NOT say 'All the men 'were' slaughtered' It just says "They should be".

So, where do we look for any evidence of what actually took place ?

1/ Ibn Ishaq http://www.prophetofdoom.net/banuqurayza.html

Please read the whole section Kalweeb

(wrote a history of Mohammed, Questioned by some, but his account of the Banu Qurayza is supported by another historian, Al Tabari and the Hadith of Muslim)

2/ Hadith of Al-Tabari

On this event, he reports

“The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence.”
(Tabari, VIII, page 40)

3/ Hadith of Bhukari

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280: (find the link and scroll to 280)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html

All sources are Islamic except the Ibn Ishaq one, but the quotes are accurate.

Kalweeb (Ash) there is not enough sugar in the world, to make this sweet. If you or anyone wishes to follow this man, its a free country.