David, You are obvioulsy baiting people here and while you might find it amusing many don't. If you one day have the misfortune of bearing witness to rape or having someone close to you becoming a victim of this violence, I hope you think back and reflect on what you have said here. You're attitude towards women is simply pathetic. Grow up.

Hmmm...Ringtail made one of the best comments on this topic thus far,referring to " ...those men, who, if a women is merely pleasant to you you think you've got a chance".

Its about the way us men think about women and how we interact with women. Whether we behave the way we do because we may be; socially conditioned, easily led by our stupid mates, or just plain stooopid ourself, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "ASKING FOR IT"! Understand? If a woman smiles at you or her tits are hanging out, you DO NOT RAPE!

Media sexualisation of women is another issue. It is a bit sad that 8 year old girls think they have to diet, and "look sexy", but it cannot be used as another excuse for raping women.

Silent Minority
I don’t think anyone has been advocating that males sexually assault females, and the vast majority of males do not do so. The myth that “all men are rapists” is a myth only, although it has been a myth much perpetrated by the feminist movement in an ongoing attempt to vilify males as much as possible.

But I do wonder how many men now do not contact or talk to women who are half in / half out of their clothing. There are probably quite a few men who avoid such women, and for good reasons.

And I also wonder what happens to a girl or woman who does not want to flaunt her body. Does she have much “choice”, or does she now feel compelled to be seen wearing clothes “just like the other girls”?

Eg
”At the mall, there are entire chains devoted to tween shoppers: stores full of racy clothing, make-up and even lingerie for girls who may not have hit puberty.”
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/money/sexy/index.html

In the world of now highly commercialised sexuality, there is also the negative side which does include STD’s, unwanted pregnancy, and of course the new epidemic that has spread throughout the US and is beginning to occur in Australia also, which is oral sex amongst children in their tweens (ie 8 – 14 yrs old).

All this was somehow overlooked by early feminists in their headlong desire for sexual liberation.

After birth control, a dress code is a powerful way of controlling women and keeping them in their "proper place".

A dress code is an attempt to not only break women's spirit, but to tell her that she must be a certain type of woman "modest" and "feminine".

As a young woman I claim my body and my individuality, men who are so immature as to judge me from the clothes I choose to wear clearly have a lot of growing up to do. And there are quite a few of them in this forum.

I like looking at healthy bodies, whether they be male or female. A healthy young man in singlet and jeans on a hot summer's day is a joy to behold. So is a young woman....

We are only young once, we are not ashamed of our bodies. We are free and far too soon will be anchored by mortgages and sagging physiques.

Youth should not be wasted....with a wink to Oscar Wilde.

Great posts Xena, Ringtail, Wandii and Garra. Timkins, why do you always need to prop up your posts with hyperlink. I've never bothered crossing to them, rather would (believe it or not) hear your opinion without all the pointy headed stats backing you up. Back to women's wear daily. (some of you) Guys tend to define what's out there and supposedly wrongly worn by women by your own personal standards. Ie: if you like big breasts, how many buttons should be undone on a 10AA as compared to a 40DD cup? If you are a leg man, should a woman with tree trunks for legs be chastised for wearing a mini and therefore not exposing legs that are sexually provocative? Especially if mini skirts are so not in fashion? Get a grip! We test it out amonst ourselves before we venture out. (ie: Does this make my bum look big in this?) Yes, girls in Grade 6 might want to test the waters with fashion, makeup, but why do you guys have a problem with it? Because your certain anatomy has a mindset of its own (and yes, I know it's not all of you). But just get over the Eve thing, where we're all hell bent on teasing you to lose control. Most of us have no idea about the fantasies we're inadvertently creating. And should not have to claim responsibility

BOAZ_David – “How would it be, if I rolled up to Church with my top 2 shirt buttons undone ? Well, I would feel pretty ok with that myself, but I KNOW that it WILL send a wrong message to my sisters in Christ, not to mention my mrs and kids.” … Are You Serious?