Aslan: you accuse people of being "totally and utterly intolerant of those people who disagree with you". Yet in your own sweeping generalisations, you claim gay people "endure a great deal of physical pain from their activities, and mental torment from their inner conflicts, and then die horrible deaths, usually alone, 30-40 years before their time" and that the gay "lifestyle"..."leads to a lonely painful death at an early age either by AIDS, drug and alcohol abuse or by domestic violence (ie. one of multiple gay partners beats you up and kills you)."

Do you honestly believe the hatred and fear you have in your heart is not painfully evident in such writing? I don't hate you, rather I pity you that you are just so ignorant and have been so brainwashed by your church into believing such negative fallacies about the gay community. I can tell you that I am not a ghost; I am a gay man who has not died from AIDS (nor indeed am I HIV positive), I do not have any substance abuse problems and I have never been in a domestically violent relationship. Of all my many gay and lesbian friends, I have only two who possess one of the aforementioned traits.

We are happy people, many of us with family who have accepted and embraced us, unconditionally, for who we are. I know people like you justify your own prejudices by demonising homosexual people and fantasising about the miserable lives we must all lead, but if you were only prepared to walk a mile in somebody else's shoes, to actually make friends with gay people (and I don't mean in a Christian tough love, "save them from themselves" sort of way) and accept us and our right to form relationships without getting so personally affronted, you may not be so quick to espouse such vitriol. Who knows: you might even learn something new.

Cheers,

Queer Penguin

Matt,
This is now coming down to the important part.

There is “sleaze” within heterosexual culture, and a backlash is now taking place regards such things as MTV.

However, it has become so common, that if a heterosexual points out a negative aspect of the homosexual life-style or culture, then they are normally labelled “homophobic”, and their views discounted or downgraded so to speak.

To avoid any backlash, it is very much up to the gay community to reduce the negative aspects of their culture or life-style , so that “what they actually are” and “how they are being portrayed (often by themselves)” is in better alignment.

I've said it before and I'll say it again you should seek professional help Timmy.

Kenny,

Ad hominem approaches do nothing for your argument. Actually Timkins has put out his case logically and rationally. I smell fear in your responses, not a willingness to debate realistically. Calling people 'homophobic', 'rabid right-wing' or saying that they are in need of 'professional help' is merely an overused attempt to silence any opinion that opposes your own. Thankfully people aren't deterred by that anymore. I would welcome anyone who could actually back up scientifically and with solid evidence (like Aslan and Boaz_David have) their claims about homosexuality.

Cheers

tom_hughes: "I would welcome anyone who could actually back up scientifically and with solid evidence (like Aslan and Boaz_David have) their claims about homosexuality."

OK. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6670

More as I get time to compile, but it's a good start.

Cheers,

Queer Penguin

tom_hughes Queer Penguin has got it right the point is All the main stream scientific evidence does not support the positions taken by timmy and others. Just have a read of the mainstream web sites and papers, the only place were you find this junk these guys are putting up is from right wing religious groups. The web is full of articles by angry researchers you have had their data misrepresented by these hate groups. And don’t come back with that old chest nut about main stream groups not publishing things like that it is simply not true. You can not of read a scientific journal if you think that. Saying your not close minded does not make it true. The ring wing fundamentalist would have you believe that just about everything we know about human origins, astronomy, physics, chemistry and biology is wrong and what do they base their ideas on a book that have been rewritten and edited a thousand times since it was dreamt up 2,500 years ago. I’ll stick to the scientific methods thanks, observe, theorize and test.